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[VXR]

The directive responses for newbs to utilize the search engine goes both ways anyway. Specific terminology used when discussing VX parts, idiosyncracies, or projects is not going to be automatically known to someone new to the game, so expecting a newb to even know what to search for isn't fair either.

As a result, VX Terminology would be a good "chapter" to include in the Owners' Guide. We can't very well invite new members to feel free to ask any "dumb" questions only to turn the thread into an us against them discussion of the supposed inherent intelligence of using the search function. Even children know how much that kind of double-speak sucks.

Good luck with the search rsteinmetz.

X2 well said

[circmand]

Just hitting the threads button and reading all the headings is a great 1st start to learning the site

[VX KAT]

The directive responses for newbs to utilize the search engine goes both ways anyway. Specific terminology used when discussing VX parts, idiosyncracies, or projects is not going to be automatically known to someone new to the game, so expecting a newb to even know what to search for isn't fair either.

As a result, VX Terminology would be a good "chapter" to include in the Owners' Guide.

Another piece of info that may help you...have you seen the VERY LONG 100+ questionnaire I put together about 2-3 weeks ago? Going thru either of those questionnaires will help you identify areas you may want/need more info on. You can probably find the info, but do a search on some of the words used in the questionnaire.

Good point TREK, it's why I suggested this (see above blue text) in the other thread.

[Scott Larson]

Just hitting the threads button and reading all the headings is a great 1st start to learning the site

Now to a newb, that's confusing right there. Where is the "Threads Button"? Is that the "Active Threads" in the main menu? I'm looking all over for the "Threads Button"...

[circmand]

Now to a newb, that's confusing right there. Where is the "Threads Button"? Is that the "Active Threads" in the main menu? I'm looking all over for the "Threads Button"...

But actually all the thread buttons there on the main menu on the home page. They will allow you to see everything posted about in the last 10 years. The active only give you threads that have beenrecently posted into the others allow you everything

[rsteinmetz70112]

I was not reacting to the suggestion to use the search function, the part I took exception to was this part:

being repeated for the umpteenth time makes for some testy replies.

I'm sure I will ask some questions that have already been asked and answered, but seeing the confusing results that the search function gives that may be inevitable.

Why would someone presume that a new person will act badly, just because someone else in the past may have. You might never have noticed the many people who simply joined and acted perfectly appropriately.

I worry whenever a welcome message contains warning that unapproved behavior will have negative consequences.

I think the idea of a Newbie post someone else posted is an excellent idea, as a FAQ would be.

[VX KAT]

IMHO, this whole discussion clearly points out, again, the importance of using clear, detailed thread titles. Using short, hip, strange language or phrases really makes searching much more difficult and time consuming....and frustrating, just like a few of the newbs have mentioned here. This site is only as good as we make it (and Scott of course is awesome!!)

[vt_maverick]

The terminology section seems like a good idea. I will be curious to see whether people take the time to read it before asking questions.

The site layout could certainly be better (maybe that's part of the upgrades Scott - our webmaster - alluded to a few days ago). But I do think that at the end of the day people just have to invest some time getting used to how everything works. Perhaps the more experienced users should take the time to post not only the answer but "how" they found the answer.

Finally, I'm not sure who the "us vs them" and "child... double-speak" comments where directed at specifically, but I think that's a "childish" over-simplification of the issue. What's at issue in my mind is how we can best help and equip new members to learn as much about their vehicle as possible. What I see in this thread is a spirited discussion about how to do both, which I think reflects well on our community as a whole.

[Scott Larson]

X2!! There really are no stupid questions but sometimes the answer can make one feel stupid...Doooohh!!

[Y33TREKker]

Finally, I'm not sure who the "us vs them" and "child... double-speak" comments where directed at specifically, but I think that's a "childish" over-simplification of the issue...

It was directed at anyone who's ever done what I was describing. If it came across as a childish over-simplification, that's only because that's sometimes what it apparently takes.

[mindaugas]

As a result, VX Terminology would be a good "chapter" to include in the Owners' Guide.

thanks, that's a great suggestion. Just adding a "Search for this ____ " would help immensely.

[rsteinmetz70112]

Thanks for the effort. There is a lot of information in these links, but also a lot of uncertainty.

Oil usage is a significant concern and these threads highlight that is is a significant issue for all VXen. I saw the survey that concluded something around 40% had this problem and a conclusion that '99 models may suffer worse than others.

Short of driving one for a month or two I'm not sure how to check for this issiue.

[circmand]

Thanks for the effort. There is a lot of information in these links, but also a lot of uncertainty.

Oil usage is a significant concern and these threads highlight that is is a significant issue for all VXen. I saw the survey that concluded something around 40% had this problem and a conclusion that '99 models may suffer worse than others.

Short of driving one for a month or two I'm not sure how to check for this issiue.

Not eevryone who owned a VX is a member and not all members filled out the poll. Th epolls are not scientific. In my opinion checking your oil regularly (at all fill ups) would eliminate 99% of the oil issues. Do not rely on the oil light it is for pressure not volume. From other threads oil becomes being used closer to oil change time 3000 miles.

[tjh]

Just an FYI, I know there's two VX owners in LaFayette. Not sure if you've ever gotten to sit in one or see it up close. The member is "tjh", (Travis) and then his friend bought one too last year, can't think of their name. But maybe if you're interested you could head out to see Travis. He has one gorgeous Dragon green VX, got some new Enkei rims & new rubber.
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Um yeah, what Sue said ^.
rsteinmetz70112
Iffin your in the Lafayette area your welcome to check out my VX . That being said I'm currently trying to get the VX over to the garage for some maintenance . Either this week or next week.It depends on when they can fit it in.
Timing Belt , Water Pump , New Radiator hoses , Tensioners,Thermostat,Brakes , Wheel bearings , and Valve cover gaskets. Getting ready for Moab ... maybe. I also need to shorten my rock sliders .

My VX is a 2001 and it is an oil burner . I just keep it full.

[rsteinmetz70112]

Not eevryone who owned a VX is a member and not all members filled out the poll. Th epolls are not scientific. In my opinion checking your oil regularly (at all fill ups) would eliminate 99% of the oil issues. Do not rely on the oil light it is for pressure not volume. From other threads oil becomes being used closer to oil change time 3000 miles.

Yes the poll is unscientific, and results are suspect but what else have we got?