Me too Billy now with my bigger tires and full Kilby skids!But our newer stock buddies need to know what to expect and not freak them out. It has another difficult area too further down. We can go up to Bloody Basin Rd (Trail idea #1) and take the trail all the way South to Cave Creek, it bypasses these difficult areas. Since you & Zu4Two want a more challenging trail, you could break off from us on FR 269 and go West on Table Mesa Rd and run it in reverse, come out right there, pictured above.