USA Today Article on Lowering All New SUV's in 2008

[Navigator]

Check out this article in USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...8-crash2_x.htm does anyone recall voting on this issue?

[paultvx]

There was never a vote. What we think doesn't count... because mother (gov.) knows best.

This is just plain dumb. More dummying down of America. Thanks to all the people who drive SUVs and really shouldn't be driving them... or just shouldn't be driving period. Can't tell you how many times I've had close calls with people on the phones. Near head-on collision, cut-off, tailgating in heavy traffic... you name it. Just last week one of these almost hit my VX with her Suburban (transporting no one but herself). And get this... my VX was parked on the side of my condo's semi-private driveway (I was washing it.) Takes talent to hit a parked car.

[AlaskaVX]

Automakers are considering lowering SUVs to make them less lethal in crashes with smaller vehicles. What do you think?

28.14%
The changes might help and wouldn't hurt much.
26.88%
I disagree. I bought my SUV for the bird's-eye view.
23.32%
Why don't they just make cars sturdier?
18.47%
Ban all SUVs.
3.2%
Adding side-curtain airbags is enough.

I can't believe how many people are willing for this to happen! I guess the people who like lowering their SUV's will save some $ :rollg: Maybe if they stopped making those little death traps (Mazda Miata for example) people might live. I'm real sick of this anti-SUV crap!

[Joe_Black]

Humanity as a whole is fighting tenaciously against the process of natural selection at every turn. The coddling of those without enough sense to care for themselves, let alone those around them, is adding even more unrealistic beliefs in an entitlement-driven, litiginous society. Believe me, I'm all for cutting any and all funding to search for any Near Earth Objects 'cause we certainly deserve a good smack from a large asteroid. Reducing the planetary populace by a huge chunk and going into survival mode may just wake up whoever is left.

[Heraclid]

There's something really screwy and backward going on when they talk about placing these types of restrictions on our SAFEST vehicles and not our UNSAFEST ones. We all know that the occupants of SUVs are more likely to survive many types of accidents, and these stinking liberals (and that's who they are) actually want to make them less survivable to make it "fair"? What a load of BS! So now these idiots want both parties in the accident to be more likely to be severely injured or killed? That's nucking futs. And if you're a politician and you really wanted to have less traffic fatalities and you don't let a little thing like personal freedom get in the way, wouldn't it make a helluva lot more sense to mandate SUV ownership or ban Mini-Coopers, Miatas, and motorcycles? Why not RAISE the standards, not LOWER them? How ridiculous! Makes me want to go out and get a lift kit right now. These are the same liberal nuts who probably have wet dreams about all of us making the same flat wage regardless of education, initiative, or experience (and certainly not enough to be able to live without a bunch of government assistance programs to keep you in their pockets). Personal achievement and individual excellence are these vampires' garlic sprig and wooden stake.

[Dallas4u]

You know what drives me insane? Political talk.

[Joe_Black]

Yeah, it's that nasty little soapbox I dance around until something peeves me enough to take a step up. I'd run for president if it wouldn't get me killed!

[Dallas4u]

Doesn't only cost something like $35 to enter the race for Governer of California?

[Heraclid]

Sorry if it drives anyone insane, but the inmates are running the asylum folks, and that's why it has to be addressed and dealt with. Far too many people know far too little to fix this thing and that needs to change. Most people would swear up and down that this nation was founded as a democracy, for instance. People HAVE to speak up some or the whole thing's going to hell in a handbasket. Proactive beats reacting with too little too late. And this anti-SUV movement springs DIRECTLY from it all. Politics DOES affect YOU, and you DO have a stake in it, so for cryin' out loud get off the sidelines.

[paultvx]

Originally posted by Heraclid
...and these stinking liberals (and that's who they are)

Yup... that's right. Name calling will make your point more convincing and win you respect. C'mon. What is this? The third grade?

Do you even know what liberalism is? It's free thinking. You and those who think alike sound as if you think free thinking is wrong. Where is the freedom in a nation where free thinking is deemed inappropriate? Is that a patriotic sentiment given our national image as the "land of the free"?

Please use a little bit of your own brain power before repeating political rhetoric. You have your own mind and you have your own will... refuse to let someone else decide what you should think or say.

If conservatism had its way throughout US histroy, we'd all still be living under the Queen of England and paying taxes to her.

Liberals are people too... they have good ideas and they have bad ideas. They are no different than yourself and those who think like you. No one is perfect. Demonization of one group against another will never solve problems. It'd only create hate, chaos, and bloodshed. Do you mean to tell me that those things are the very things conservatism would like to advocate and encrouage?

We must learn from history: Romans vs. Christians, Nazis vs. Jews, Israelis vs. Palestinians, Whites vs. Blacks... We must learn from the past lest we repeat the same mistakes/tragedies.

[Dallas4u]

Originally posted by Heraclid
so for cryin' out loud get off the sidelines.

I don't vote down party lines. I tend to be more liberal, only because I have happened (in the past and present) to agree with many issues that they are pushing... of course, that doesn't mean I don't also agree with many issues the conservatives are pushing as well. See... I can decide for myself!

[Joe_Black]

I'm having a strange sensation of posting deja vu...

[Heraclid]

Dallas4U, I want to say a lot here but I'll be brief. I can decide for myself too. Everyone told me Isuzus were heaps of junk ya know. Same thing here... the truth is not always as it seems, my friend. And no, that avatar won't get you anywhere... I am unhypnotizable. :-)

[technocoy]

thats one of the best things i've heard you say!

[Heraclid]

Hey paultvx,

True, liberalism in its essence and by definition isn't bad. But what the word has come to represent now is. Even the liberals don't want to be called liberal anymore - it has developed an undesirable connotation.

BTW, liberalism is generosity, and what it has come to represent is nothing of the sort. Taking from others what is not yours to take and giving it to others to keep them under your thumb and begging for the scraps from your table isn't real noble. Not demonization - just fair criticism.

It was in fact sensible, courageous people who threw off the yoke of King George. Just look at today's liberals who would have us do nothing but appease our enemies when 3,000 of our countrymen are slain. They are WAY naive and spineless. They talk the talk but the conservatives tend to get the job done.

Dude, I bear you no ill will and don't want this to go further so I won't go into the namecalling comment like I could.

Now say something about VXs... heck, tell me mine sucks, I don't care. :-)