Electric cars a bad idea?

[crotchrocket]

I think the benifits are supposed to be for the environment arent they? and the short term fuel savings for the first wave of people buying them will be regularised with tax rises in other areas once more people have them..............Although its clear that current electric vehicles arent the way forward, hydrogen fuel cells will be powering electric cars the future. I guess its a way to get people to let go of their fossil fuel powered vehicles....

Not that i am going to get an electric car but as Jay Lenno said, if having an electric car means you can still run your petrol car on the weekends as a hobby then all the better than fazing fuel out all together

[circmand]

I think the benifits are supposed to be for the environment arent they? and the short term fuel savings for the first wave of people buying them will be regularised with tax rises in other areas once more people have them..............Although its clear that current electric vehicles arent the way forward, hydrogen fuel cells will be powering electric cars the future. I guess its a way to get people to let go of their fossil fuel powered vehicles....

Not that i am going to get an electric car but as Jay Lenno said, if having an electric car means you can still run your petrol car on the weekends as a hobby then all the better than fazing fuel out all together

1. The government allows hybrids to claim better MPG just because they are hybrids. They do not allow actual MPG
2. The cost to recharge and the enviromental damage done by the electric plants producing the electricity are not considered in government comparisons
3. If I need to make a long trip I have no desire to stop for hours to recharge when I can refuel in minutes
4. If electric cars are now as fast in real life as opposed to government allowances why do I always end of passing priuses and have never been passed by one?
5. The government allows Chevy to claim a higher trip distance than actual to push its hybrid and electric agenda. I am all for improving the performance and enviroment but you cant let the government choose winners and bias resuylts to push the agenda. Actual measurements must be used.
6. The government has yet to establish a method of handling the millions in old batteries from hybrids which beleive me are far more toxic and worse for the enviroment than gas exhaust.
7. You cant trust the enviromental protestors. They wanted Nuke power and now they protest against it. They are against pollution but burn brand new cars they do not own and cause far more enviromental damage than even a Hummer would cause in its lifetime.
8. If we are too switch to solar and wind power as the enviromental people want the entire country will need to be covered from end to end to produce enough power and god forbid we have rainy days or windless days we will have power outages all the time. And lets not forget while they want wind power they now protest that the windmills kill birds and disrupt the habitat of the animals.

Frankly we need to invent a power source that runs on the hot useless air produce by politicians and the enviromental movement. Plus Rush Limbaugh could probably power NYC on his own. We could actually just put Rush on one end of the US and Obama on the other end and Biden in the middle and never run out of power cause none of them ever shut the hell up.

[crotchrocket]

Hmmmm seamed to miss "Although its clear that current electric vehicles arent the way forward" in your whole governent conspiracy theory attack hahaha

1. The government allows hybrids to claim better MPG just because they are hybrids. They do not allow actual MPG
2. The cost to recharge and the enviromental damage done by the electric plants producing the electricity are not considered in government comparisons
3. If I need to make a long trip I have no desire to stop for hours to recharge when I can refuel in minutes
4. If electric cars are now as fast in real life as opposed to government allowances why do I always end of passing priuses and have never been passed by one?
5. The government allows Chevy to claim a higher trip distance than actual to push its hybrid and electric agenda. I am all for improving the performance and enviroment but you cant let the government choose winners and bias resuylts to push the agenda. Actual measurements must be used.
6. The government has yet to establish a method of handling the millions in old batteries from hybrids which beleive me are far more toxic and worse for the enviroment than gas exhaust.
7. You cant trust the enviromental protestors. They wanted Nuke power and now they protest against it. They are against pollution but burn brand new cars they do not own and cause far more enviromental damage than even a Hummer would cause in its lifetime.
8. If we are too switch to solar and wind power as the enviromental people want the entire country will need to be covered from end to end to produce enough power and god forbid we have rainy days or windless days we will have power outages all the time. And lets not forget while they want wind power they now protest that the windmills kill birds and disrupt the habitat of the animals.

Frankly we need to invent a power source that runs on the hot useless air produce by politicians and the enviromental movement. Plus Rush Limbaugh could probably power NYC on his own. We could actually just put Rush on one end of the US and Obama on the other end and Biden in the middle and never run out of power cause none of them ever shut the hell up.

[circmand]

Hmmmm seamed to miss "Although its clear that current electric vehicles arent the way forward" in your whole governent conspiracy theory attack hahaha

Seemed to miss? Actually I left it out because electric cars MAY be the solution. But to know this we have to measure honestly and not allow the government to do like the NFL referees are doing and decide the winners. In addition if we get everyone driving electric we do not have existing energy capacity to create enough to recharge all the cars. What happens then the cost of electricity skyrockets and the cost per mile figured out for current use is no longer correct. Look what happened to the price of corn when the govt forced ethanol on us. It greatly increased the cost of corn as food for humans, cattle feed as well and gas with ethanol causes vehicles to get lower mpg so more gas is needed all driving up the cost per mile as opposed to reducing it.

[Y33TREKker]

I think the benifits are supposed to be for the environment arent they?

Exactly.

Throw the money involved into the mix though, and it's endless smoke and mirrors. Play the endless scenarios of "how much will it cost me" and/or "how much money can possibly be made" to their conclusions though and a person is still left with one reality...what good will the money that's been saved or made do if the only option is to spend it in a place that's no longer habitable?

Of course, that hinges on whether a person believes that current man-made technologies are worsening the environment, but we won't go there.

Now maybe the current technologies still aren't to the point of making electric cars viable as all-purpose vehicles, but at least attempts are being made to come up with alternatives. And in my opinion, that is where the focus should be maintained, as opposed to only pointing out perceived problems or failings.

[circmand]

Exactly.


Now maybe the current technologies still aren't to the point of making electric cars viable as all-purpose vehicles, but at least attempts are being made to come up with alternatives. And in my opinion, that is where the focus should be maintained, as opposed to only pointing out perceived problems or failings.

If you do not point out the perceived problems and weaknesses you cant solve the problem and make it better. Like nuclear if you concentrate on the low pollution and almost unlimited power potential but ignore the problem of disposing of the waste you create a biggeer problem than you started with, You cant think 1 dimensional and solve a problem

[Y33TREKker]

If you do not point out the perceived problems and weaknesses you cant solve the problem and make it better...

Well here's your problem. You neglected part of what I said to suit yourself.

What I said was "if you ONLY point out perceived problems or failings", because only doing that, you're not going to solve any problems either.