need advice- our center bore is not 108mm

[tom4bren]

I think this argument has been going on from the dawn of time, and even wheel manufacturer's all have different takes on it (some even say that lug centric isn't a "real" term, that it's something people came up with and has been adopted in). In reality, right lug nuts for wheels, enough stud poking through and in good shape, your gonna be fine. But if you want that gap in wheel bore taken up, they make rings for that. I've talked to some high up GM tech advisors that say it's main purpose is centering the wheel, not really meant to hold weight. Shoot, most of these "hub centric" cars just have a tiny lip for the rim to sit on to center it. I truely believe that's it's main purpose. As far as the cone for balancing a wheel, I pretty sue they use the cone because it can be used on 95% of the wheels you balance rather than having to switch bolt pattern plates. I don't think it has anything to do with hub centric etc, it has everything to do with ease and adaptability in a work environment. Makes things cheaper when you only need one cone, also saves alot of time.

'Zakly

Give that man a cupie doll

The switch from hub centric to lug centric probably wasn't based on performance issues ... manufacturing issues ... or tire shop workload issues. It was based on changing a tire on the side of the road.

I've had wheels that fit tight on the hub which were a royal PITA to change.

[RamAirZ]

Why?

There's been a lot of talk about the pro's & con's but you never stated what problem you are experiencing that started this whole discussion.

Or

Is "I care" just a Luke Skywalker quote.

Well it really shouldn't matter why, if it's what he wants to do then it's his truck

'Zakly

Give that man a cupie doll

The switch from hub centric to lug centric probably wasn't based on performance issues ... manufacturing issues ... or tire shop workload issues. It was based on changing a tire on the side of the road.

I've had wheels that fit tight on the hub which were a royal PITA to change.

I wanna cupie doll! Ya the switch probably had everything to do with $$$$

[tom4bren]

Well it really shouldn't matter why, if it's what he wants to do then it's his truck

I care.

If he's got a vibration & some mechanic told him it's because he's running lug instead of hub centric rims then we may actually point him in the right direction instead of where he's headed.

[Y33TREKker]

I care.

If he's got a vibration & some mechanic told him it's because he's running lug instead of hub centric rims then we may actually point him in the right direction instead of where he's headed.

If he's wanting new rims, and he wants them to be hub-centric, he's still only going to have certain options.

First - he has to find the wheels he wants

Second - he has to determine what centerbores are available stock for those wheels.

Third - if the available centerbore(s) are not exact, he'd either have to determine whether the manufacturer will be willing to make a one-off set of wheels to his specs (in which case he'd be wise to go ahead and get one or two extras made at the same time - just in case), or, go back to the original plan of measuring hubs and wheels and ordering specific sized hub-centric rings.

In my opinion though, all that will still depend on which tires he plans to use with the new wheels. If it's going to be the Grabbers again (as displayed in his gallery), zero vibration is always going to be difficult to achieve regardless of rim choice.

[Riff Raff]

In my opinion though, all that will still depend on which tires he plans to use with the new wheels. If it's going to be the Grabbers again (as displayed in his gallery), zero vibration is always going to be difficult to achieve regardless of rim choice.

Huh??? What makes you say that??? What is wrong with the Grabber AT2's and is that what you have??? Please explain!!!

[etlsport]

Probably because all terrain tires don't balance well and will pretty much always be noisy when compared to an ht, st or apt tire

im with you on the WTF test tom.. take the lexus ls460 for example.. factory 19 inch (457.2 mm) wheels.. with a 60.1 mm center bore.. and they are balanced through the center opening... so any imperfections get multiplied 7-8 times by time they hit the outside of the wheel

imho (but have no way to verify) the reason that car wheels typically come with hub centric rings is because on a car, new rims often means low profile tires. in that case any vibration will be felt by the driver because there is very little tire sidewall to absorb it. of course this doesnt apply to guys who go with 22s or larger on their trucks

[Y33TREKker]

Huh??? What makes you say that??? What is wrong with the Grabber AT2's and is that what you have??? Please explain!!!

Probably because all terrain tires don't balance well and will pretty much always be noisy when compared to an ht, st or apt tire

...of course this doesnt apply to guys who go with 22s or larger on their trucks

Unless they also mount an off-road or all-terrain sort of tire too.

[Riff Raff]

If it's going to be the Grabbers again (as displayed in his gallery), zero vibration is always going to be difficult to achieve regardless of rim choice.

Nope; fail #2, you deliberately singled-out the Grabber AT2 as illustrated by your original quote. 'Nuff said.

[VX KAT]

Nope; fail #2, you deliberately singled-out the Grabber AT2 as illustrated by your original quote. 'Nuff said.

......

[Y33TREKker]

Nope; fail #2, you deliberately singled-out the Grabber AT2 as illustrated by your original quote. 'Nuff said.

...In my opinion though, all that will still depend on which tires he plans to use with the new wheels. If it's going to be the Grabbers again (as displayed in his gallery), zero vibration is always going to be difficult to achieve regardless of rim choice.

As illustrated by my original quote, what I actually said was "Grabbers".

I can't believe you're getting this emotional over something like tire choice, but it's clear that it's clouding your interpretations of my comments.

What do you say we just drop it and let this thread get back on topic?

[Riff Raff]

In my opinion though, all that will still depend on which tires he plans to use with the new wheels. If it's going to be the Grabbers again (as displayed in his gallery), zero vibration is always going to be difficult to achieve regardless of rim choice.

Nope, as originally depicted in your original statement-- you said Grabber's (as displayed in his (DJVX) gallery); which if you look in DJVX's gallery is the Grabber AT2. Consequently, you essentially referred the Grabber AT2 specifically. I'm just calling an Ace-n-Ace and a Spade-a-Spade. You made a generalized comment that the Grabber AT2 in an inferior tire that has a "vibration issue regardless of rim choice" and with which you have absolutely no personal experience with, and THAT is what I have an issue with. Then, you keep trying to back-pedal your way out in your subsequent postings with your double-talk, but all you end of doing is digging yourself a bigger hole (you're beginning to sound like Obama). Yes, let's drop the issue because it is you that has a clouded perception. Peace Out.

[Y33TREKker]

Nope, as originally depicted...

This is ridiculous.

If it's just me with the clouded perception, then how are you explaining LDubs', Marlins', and VX Kats' responses to yourself?

Talk to me again when you reach China in that hole of yours.

[VX KAT]

Talk to me again when you reach China in that hole of yours.

Dig baby dig....

[Y33TREKker]

Double post - so deleted.