WikiLeaks

[technocoy]

Wow,

I've gotten so used to Facebook I tried to "like" Bart's post. Couldn't find a button.


...so sad.

[VXR]

Wow,

I've gotten so used to Facebook I tried to "like" Bart's post. Couldn't find a button.


...so sad.

Quite funny you should say that as CNN just reported that Time was considering Julian Assange for person of the year but went with the facebook guy instead

[Stephen Biko]

Assange was #1 in the reader poll for man of year. Zukerberg was #10.
But #2 was the prime minister of Turkey who is important there (for starting to roll back the separation between church and state) but is otherwise unremarkable. So it isn't like the reader poll is all that meaningful.

[VXR]

Thank you for caring

yes/ok

[crotchrocket]

What are you laughing about. You're a charter member of the Dubster Freak Managerie!!!

yes sir...e....boss ....

[deermagnet]

Julian is free today. He says he'll stay in Britain. He's only wanted for questioning in Sweden. He wants to be questioned by video or in person in Britain.

Why didn't the US charge him while he was locked up? Could it be they don't have a case? Even if they charge him it would be a big 'ole mess that would drag out for years. Top lawyers in the US say the US government would probably come out on top with a jury trial 'cuz the jury won't like what he did, legal or not, but the chances of getting him on US soil for a trial are next to zero.

Even if they jailed him today, it wouldn't change WikiLeaks at all. It wasn't a one man operation. It's now spread out all over the world with thousands of people involved. It's probably not worth it now to go after Julian. He wasn't the one who stole all the info anyway.

Whatever happens to Julian, WikiLeaks will go on. WikiLeaks will go on.

Mark Griffin

[Marlin]

Julian is free today. He says he'll stay in Britain. He's only wanted for questioning in Sweden. He wants to be questioned by video or in person in Britain.

Why didn't the US charge him while he was locked up? Could it be they don't have a case? Even if they charge him it would be a big 'ole mess that would drag out for years. Top lawyers in the US say the US government would probably come out on top with a jury trial 'cuz the jury won't like what he did, legal or not, but the chances of getting him on US soil for a trial are next to zero.

Even if they jailed him today, it wouldn't change WikiLeaks at all. It wasn't a one man operation. It's now spread out all over the world with thousands of people involved. It's probably not worth it now to go after Julian. He wasn't the one who stole all the info anyway.

Whatever happens to Julian, WikiLeaks will go on. WikiLeaks will go on.

Mark Griffin

I found an interesting and incriminating quote from Julian:

“Our particular view on the mechanism of transparency is to selectively go after material that is concealed. Because organizations that have material and want to conceal it are giving off a signal that they believe there will be reform if that material is released.”

This infers that they track down the people who have the info, and coerce, bribe or whatever it takes to get it. Very innocent of him. So at some point in the various leaks, he has done some illegal things...

[Stephen Biko]

Lol. That's some serious projecting you are doing there. What do you expect him to say - "We think publishing stuff that has already been published is the way to increase transparency." Doh!
Full context of the quote - of particular interest is his elaboration at the end about how media organizations explicitly sit on information rather than publish it.

[Marlin]

Lol. That's some serious projecting you are doing there. What do you expect him to say - "We think publishing stuff that has already been published is the way to increase transparency." Doh!

No, some of the other things say that he receives info from others, much the same as a pawn shop may receive stolen goods. The pawn shop didn't steal them, just gives the thieves somewhere to offload their booty.

In this quote he says that he seeks out info, that would be the same as going into someone's home and taking something they had hidden, in other words, stealing. I am not saying that the current huge release is info that he stole, but I think it is safe to say that at some point, he has illegally obtained information.

[Stephen Biko]

Again, you are projecting "go after" to mean something more than his usage. You choose to take one colloquial sentence and decide that it must trump all official statements.

[Triathlete]

I just wonder if good old Julian will step up to the plate and help the guy who is looking at life in a military prison or just use him and toss him aside?

[Stephen Biko]

Maybe you are confused but Manning was not caught giving information to wikileaks, he was caught because he trusted Adrian Lamo (best snitch name ever) who promised Manning confidentiality as a journalistic source and then turned around and reported him instead.

Manning claimed (to Lamo) that he gave info to wikileaks but wikileaks has never confirmed that in any way.

[vt_maverick]

I just wonder if good old Julian will step up to the plate and help the guy who is looking at life in a military prison or just use him and toss him aside?

+1 - I doubt they have the same motto as you guys do.

[Marlin]

Again, you are projecting "go after" to mean something more than his usage. You choose to take one colloquial sentence and decide that it must trump all official statements.

I understand what you are saying, but he put himself into the spotlight...much the same as anyone in the public arena, gotta watch your Ps and Qs.

I just wonder if good old Julian will step up to the plate and help the guy who is looking at life in a military prison or just use him and toss him aside?

Maybe you are confused but Manning was not caught giving information to wikileaks, he was caught because he trusted Adrian Lamo (best snitch name ever) who promised Manning confidentiality as a journalistic source and then turned around and reported him instead.

Manning claimed (to Lamo) that he gave info to wikileaks but wikileaks has never confirmed that in any way.

Ah the good old, "warranty only applies to the original owner" concept. Manning needs to go to jail anyway.
Wikileaks is all about defending the release of classified/secret info, but only if you go through them. Sounds like the Kirby and Cutco warranties, warrantied for life, as long as you buy through an official dealer, like that somehow makes it a different product?

[Y33TREKker]

No, some of the other things say that he receives info from others...

What other things? Is it possible this is a case of seeing what you want to see due to preconceived notions? I ask because none of his comments in the interview read that way to me. And even in your recent quote, you changed some wording (inadvertently?) that takes the focus off the entities Wikileaks exposes.

“Our particular view on the mechanism of transparency is to selectively go after material that is concealed. Because organizations that have material and want to conceal it are giving off a signal that they believe there will be reform if that material is released.”

Actual quote: Assange - "The aim of Wikileaks is to achieve just reform around the world, and do it through the mechanism of transparency. Of course, many groups have that aim, but our particular view on the mechanism of transparency is to selectively go after material that is concealed, because organizations that have material and are concealing it are giving off a signal that they believe that they will be reformed if that material is released.

"They" being the organizations with the concealed materials, who, by the way I read it, sound as if they're more interested in maintaining the status quo.

It's THAT very kind of reality in reporting Wikileaks seems to want to offer. No spin.

The context of the articles seems more to say that the info he receives from others comes from sources that are either gagged from reporting the info, or who fear retaliation where "officially" established avenues don't offer as much protection as they say.