Nutrition and Health - Proven results w/Science

[circmand]

Now I have a little more time on my hands.

1. The average life expectancy on Earth is not 80 but under 70.
2. 40 does not go into 80 3x


The reason the average life was lower in the past in comparison to today is the fact that their was little to no scientific research and developement of things like vaccines which are making us live longer. Old diets were much better than ours currently and your adjectives show just that. To make sure we are on the same page and to clarify, diets of the past did not make them live a shorter life and our current diets do not make us live longer. It is the X factors that play the major role here. It is a fact that lifestyle dieseases are increasing at an unseen pace. We have more control over this than say polio or MMR. Sorta like Ldub said our immune systems are not what they should be since we are not exposed to the same as our ancestors. The mentioned hormones are just one reason that we become ill. All of this further solidifies the idea of supplementing what we consume in order to prevent. Its not a hippy lifestyle, it is simply science and techonolgy.

I cant find anything back more than 150 years but current male life expectancy is 78.5 and in 1850 it was 38.3. more than double not quite triple another 50 years it would even be further. That snake oil you are selling may make you feel healthier but it is making youimagine and hallucinate facts.

[ZEUS]

Its not a hippy lifestyle, it is simply science and techonolgy.

Gimme the hippie lifestyle! ...that way I at least know WHEN I am hallucinating!

[circmand]

Gimme the hippie lifestyle! ...that way I at least know WHEN I am hallucinating!

Give me a big old steak, baked potato with butter, corn on the cob and a big old slice of Turtle pie for desert. I may not be purty but no carnivore every got brought down by beef broth in their vegetable stew. Really look at the so called healthy lifstyle folks. Pale, nomuscle tone they look like mashed potatos

[Y33TREKker]

I don't see how anyone can make a definitive statement on the subject when it seems like every other week even "science" is announcing that one of their own earlier findings is now incorrect.

[JHarris1385]

Just to make sure. I come no where near a hippy lifestyle. I consume pizza almost 4 times a week. I work at our family's place or stop by to check on things 5 days a week.

I consume Moringa to subside my back pain and sinus and allergy problems. Which it has. You could say I drink my Zija so I can play how I want to and not suffer one bit from various factors.

Moringa has been around for AGES just not in the USA long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqPBmERC7OU

[JHarris1385]

So what about stevia which south americans have been utilizing since the dawn of time with no adverse effects? Seems like it's sweet with little to no insulin response.

Forgot to reply to this a long time ago.

Stevia turned up to be pretty good.

[JHarris1385]

Like him or P90X or not but he praises Moringa.

http://tonyhortonsworld.com/benefits...-moringa-leaf/

[circmand]

Like him or P90X or not but he praises Moringa.

http://tonyhortonsworld.com/benefits...-moringa-leaf/

Someone I have never heard of, who has no expertise or training, and has gotton rich hawking stuff posted a positive message about this next great thing on the internet. Forget what doctors and science says I am listening to this guy because he says stuff I want to hear. Powder up an over priced leaf in your drink at each meal and you will lose weight (or gain weight if you need it) cure your cancer, acne and become irresistable to women. Thank god these people who have no experience or background exist so that they can discover somethingthat has been around for centuries has all these therapuetic qualities that modern science and the entire medical field around the world have been unable to discover.

Just more snake oil for the 21st century

You want a real miracle cure? Diet and exercise.

[VX KAT]

OPINION PIECE...PLEASE BE ADVISED...OPINION BEING STATED HERE:

Have to agree 100% with circmand here. Having a healthcare degree and working in hospitals and healthcare for 25 yrs, I know it's not a grand conspiracy by ALL physicians and ALL scientists and ALL health care providers and ALL business interests. Most healthcare providers are motivated and dedicated to help their fellow man/woman, and yes, some are also motivated by money.

IF there was some fabulous, miraculous, wonderful health benefits from any substance, the scientific and medical community would be all over it in a New York Minute...well, since NY is in the middle of a snowpocalypse, maybe a I should say a nanosecond.

If there was money to be made, then the healthcare providers motivated by such would be all over it....

And the for-profit business sector would ALSO be all over it......(more so than just the MLM/pyramid individuals)

If something was truly successful for weight loss, the entire U.S. would be all over it, given the recent obesity epidemic!!

IMO, it's just not possible that this product can be THAT miraculous and be such a well kept secret from millions and millions of well-meaning, knowledgable people. Consider the long list of marketing darlings that have made similar claims and have either passed into oblivion or not solved the world's health problems despite years and years of marketing...... HerbaLife, Acai berry, Shaklee, Amway's vitamins come to mind.....

And let's not forget the many-times-over proven placebo effect.

I respect everyone's right to do as they please, and use whatever products they wish. I'm just stating my opinion and rationale for not believing in this one.

[Osteomata]

Agree 100% with kat and circmand. I also find it laughable that the OP uses, as one of his primary arguments, the idea that this must be True and Good because no Dr would ever put his name and reputation on the line for this product if it were not. Heaven forfend! I can't tell if that is willfully naive or intentionally deceptive. One merely needs to watch late night infomercials to perceive the lie there. MDs are human, and thus just as susceptible to corruption or self delusion or "harmless" little lies for the sake of profit as anyone else. What do the double blind tests show? What does the peer reviewed literature on the subject actually say, versus the distorted implications of the OP? Bunk.

[circmand]

Agree 100% with kat and circmand. I also find it laughable that the OP uses, as one of his primary arguments, the idea that this must be True and Good because no Dr would ever put his name and reputation on the line for this product if it were not. Heaven forfend! I can't tell if that is willfully naive or intentionally deceptive. One merely needs to watch late night infomercials to perceive the lie there. MDs are human, and thus just as susceptible to corruption or self delusion or "harmless" little lies for the sake of profit as anyone else. What do the double blind tests show? What does the peer reviewed literature on the subject actually say, versus the distorted implications of the OP? Bunk.

Apparently the Drs that agree the product is good are infallible and honest and true and wouldnt lie

But the majority of Drs who say snake oil and put their names to that are part of a vast conspiracy and are all lieing.

[JHarris1385]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI

[JHarris1385]

It has been a couple months and I will honor the member's request to keep them private since this thread turned the way it did but since the start of the thread here are a couple results within us:

#1. I roughly months was able to go off their blood pressure and cholesterol medicine. They were examined by a Dr. who agreed "that whatever they are doing, continue, as it poses no harm." - They are just a user and wanted to feel it out before giving any other family members any.

#2 Has lost 35 pounds in roughly the same time frame and decided to share the products early on to others that asked what was working for them. At this point and time all of their family's (Husband, wife and 1 teenager) product is paid for. All is well and they are doing great.

I am not sure what other sources you would like other than the previous:
John Hopkins School of Medicine
US National Library of Medicine
National Institute of Health

Here are the first few when I just searched google:
http://earthnews.pinaymom.org/2011/0...ural-medicine/

http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?re...11763&page=247

http://herbalmiracles.blogspot.com/2...kelor-for.html

It is widely evident through various sources that our fruits and vegetables are not as nutritious as they once were. It should be easy to see why, hormones, seeds and genes of plants picked for crop production (profit) vs. nutrition.

http://newhope360.com/vegetables-are...hey-were-1950s

http://www.downtoearth.org/blogs/200...0-50-years-ago


Once again I hope not to offend anyone, just another attempt to reach out and help. At this point and time I will not sell at a "retail" profit price I would gladly ship at my rate to your address. Just message me.

Thanks for your consideration.

[Osteomata]

Still using this forum to hawk your psuedo-scientific multilevel marketing scheme, I see.

[LittleBeast]

Give me a big old steak, baked potato with butter, corn on the cob and a big old slice of Turtle pie for desert. I may not be purty but no carnivore every got brought down by beef broth in their vegetable stew. Really look at the so called healthy lifstyle folks. Pale, nomuscle tone they look like mashed potatos

My job is to workout on average 4 hours a day so I can and do eat A LOT of food daily. I actually have problems eating enough. I am 6'4" 215-220lbs with about 6% body fat and can power clean well over 300lbs for multiple reps..... I say none of this to boast please don't hear me say that, I simply say this to remind you that taking care of my body and keeping it running and jumping and throwing and competing at the highest level is my job and honestly there is no short cut around eating better (smarter) and working out (smarter not harder this involves correct rest). Nothing else works long term with good results. Just because something is labeled "organic" or "natural" means NOTHING! This is just another marketing campaign to make money and charge more to the consumer, whatever sells. I promise you there are A LOT of "organic" and "all natural" plants/herbs/foods that are posionus or harmful. Especially when people think "the more the better", your body can become overloaded on almost any substance if you are consuming more than you can absorb or urinate out. You can even die from drinking too much water.

I don't see how anyone can make a definitive statement on the subject when it seems like every other week even "science" is announcing that one of their own earlier findings is now incorrect.

Haha this is so true.....

You want a real miracle cure? Diet and exercise.

Exactly. But not diet, that sounds like a plan that can change, you have to totally change your lifestyle, where you eat, what you eat, how much you eat, how much you drink and if what, and it has to stay that way and not just be a "diet" that goes away.

And let's not forget the many-times-over proven placebo effect.

exactly!!!!! Most if not ALL times when someone claims that some pill or any substance made them loss weight it is just a type of placebo effect. Even if the results are real, just the fact that you believe in something enough to spend money on it and invest in it, you will (consiously or sub-consiously) start to change other things in your life to support your desired outcome with this product or you will have been proven an idiot for believing a lie and investing in a scam. Basically faith does change things whether we believe it or not. Most if not all times in these cases it is not the product (pill, powder, etc.) that affects the positive change in the person's life. It is all the smaller more subtle changes that support this desired outcome. Pills, powders, etc ARE NOT substantially absorbed by the body! And when these things are injected the results are short term and the body starts to rely on the intake of these things and stops naturally producing and naturally aquatint these as well from other foods. The body is REALLY smart and adapts to what you are putting in it. Even something as simple as natural creatine when taken in higher doses than the body produces needs to be supported by a huge increase in water intake and stretching excersies to prevent massive cramping and WHEN you stop taking it or top working out the positive effects are gone VERY QUICKLY!!!!! there are no short cuts there is no magic poll/drink/injection they all have their positives/negatives/side effects and ARE not long lasting especially when not taken any more. I am drug tested all the time by the Olympic Committe and USA Track and Field, yes to keep things fair but also to keep me from ruining my body for the sake of short term gains that will tear my body apart and be gone as soon as I am off the stuff.

MDs are human, and thus just as susceptible to corruption or self delusion or "harmless" little lies for the sake of profit as anyone else. What do the double blind tests show? What does the peer reviewed literature on the subject actually say?

Good questions but in this case I don't think they even need to be answered when this is obviously a pyramid scheme.