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Thread: Nutrition and Health - Proven results w/Science

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    Quote Originally Posted by vt_maverick View Post
    I just think the debate should be focused on evaluating the product/manufacturer rather than continuing to cast the OP as a hard-seller (well intentioned or not).
    I was responding to his claim that avoiding the hard-sell made his involvement less about salesmanship. It was at least the second time that he used that argument in this thread. The first time I let it pass since it seemed like a straight-forward non sequitur. But the second time around I thought it deserved a rebuttal.

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    Actually I am not trying argue. I am not acting like a salesman, because there is no reason for me to. If something came from this post then great, if not, its fine. Consider the crowd this was addressed to...much smaller active number of people than most every other crowd I personally am involved in. If I wanted to really push the product I would offer deals or incentives to try it. I did not. I just let it flow.

    However you come to this thread to just purely downgrade the idea in total. Nothing more.
    What do you personally get out of this? Do you just like to hop on threads that aggravate you and attempt to tear it apart by the use of hyperlinks? If you don't like it, don't read it. Its simple. If I wanted to spend more time and argue your points I would. But I see that going into circles and being never ending, much like political talk. One I don't want to engage in that and two, I would rather the thread not be turned into a back and forth look at this point, look at this website ordeal.

    For Leah's case, I really am happy she posted what she did. It is honestly hard (harder with women) to fully gauge what you can expect to see out of a product with only using it one week. Within this time frame you are only still in the stage of introducing something new to your body and adapting to it. I believe if she was able to buy 2 weeks or so of it then the results would be greater. My assumption would be that she may slowly in the next 4 days or so back into her normal sleep and waking up patterns as the amino acids leave her body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHarris1385 View Post
    What do you personally get out of this?
    A community looks out for its members. When someone puts in the effort to do research and apply their experience and critical thinking skills and then shares the results they are contributing to the community.

    With that as a baseline, my posts in this thread are at least as valid as yours. Based on the results of the research I've previously cited, and your apoplectic responses, I think they are even more so.

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    Leah... since you wake up feeling worse, have you looked into the possibility of sleep apnea?

    I dread mornings... killer headaches, lethargic, etc..

    I'm supposed to wear a CPAP machine every night, which gives you much needed O2, but it does get frustrating and I usually go to sleep without putting it on. ;(
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    I did a sleep study years ago because of my sleep apnea. The results were: I don't get enough sleep

    I just live with it - doesn't bother me in the least. Kinda freaks out my wife though.
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    Put a smiley after you say that Bub.

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    Luna X - you should if you have not already looking into a mouth appliance for sleep apnea

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHarris1385 View Post
    Luna X - you should if you have not already looking into a mouth appliance for sleep apnea
    My dentist wasn't too keen on the idea of that. He was going to consult with his partners & get back to me. He just didn't like the idea of spending 1/4 of your life with your jaw forced forward & wanted to check to see if there would be any detrimental effects (long term).

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    You need to speak to a TMJ specialist versus a typical DMD or DDS.

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    TMJ stands for???

    I'm assuming Throat, Mandible, Jaw but that's just a shot in the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom4bren View Post
    TMJ stands for???

    I'm assuming Throat, Mandible, Jaw but that's just a shot in the dark.
    Nope, sorry...no soup for you!
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    Of course it does. I think there's 3 of those specialists in Fredericksburg.

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    Yes there you go. For proper advice you need more than knowledge beyond teeth, dentin and so forth. If you lived closer I would recommended someone but...He fixed my friends dad who had to be hooked up a a breathing machine at night with a mask.

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    teeth grinding IS another bad thing I do while sleeping...

    Biggest problem is that insurance doesn't cover tmj.... doesn't make any sense I have a lot of pain in my neck, jaw temples and they don't recognize a nite-guard as something beneficial?!.... Ah, just write him another prescription, it's fine.

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    I hate typical internal medicine. They rely so heavily on returning clients that its now the norm to just give a prescription and say come back next month or so.

    I will email a few about this and see what options you may have if any given your distance.

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    Leah's main issue was taking the teas back to back instead of skipping a day or two inbetween. This was driving the toxins out at a faster than normal pace. The body was using alot of internal energy to rid of the excess. I wish we were able to test her PH levels, if she lived closer we could have.

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