Can't let it go...

[ZEUS]

Jamas,
I got your back. We we rumble them there nasty jeepsters, you can count on me.
Peace.
Tom

p.s.
Zeus, I'm not talking about you. I love your jeep!

Jamas, I got your back too, just in a different way.
Tom, I shall crush you... j/k

Speaking of "Can't let it go"... Nobody seems to want to buy giant Jeep toys right now so if any VXers or friends of VXers are interested, I'll let my Jeep go for only $4000. It's worth $1500 more than that and it even has lug nuts AND a steering wheel!

[Moncha]

I'll let my Jeep go for only $4000. It's worth $1500 more than that and it even has lug nuts AND a steering wheel!

What about a tilt wheel?




Oh, snap! I shouldn't have said that!

[ZEUS]

OH CARP! It doesn't have a tilt wheel... BUT you can scale some huge boulders and when the whole thing flexes out the two front "steering wheels" DO tilt because they are on a solid axle!! :P

[CrnCnn]

Jamas,
I got your back. We we rumble them there nasty jeepsters, you can count on me.
Peace.
Tom

p.s.
Zeus, I'm not talking about you. I love your jeep!

You dont like my Jeep?

[Triathlete]

You dont like my Jeep?

That is the ultimate jeep to build. Love the old flat fenders.

Zues, if you deliver it, I'll give you $750 for the jeep!

[spaceCADETzoom]

Well, if there's one thing that's common among most forums is a distinct hierarchy of "regulars" and visitors. It's one thing I've always liked about VX.info: a distinct lack of this "us vs. outsiders" vibe. Now, I don't necessarily think you were "wrong" on anything, Jamas. But I don't understand how anyone could not concede that your initial comments in that thread could be construed as rough. Key word, construed. Light jabbing, sure, but justnauty was a complete stranger whose classified ad had a heckler on the very first response. Tilt wheel? YEah, it illicits eye rols, or laughs. And yeah, good on you for bringing it up. But surely, something along the lines of, "justnauty, it would help you sell your wonderfuil vx if you posted pictures, mileage, and other information that is not a given on a forum of vx enthusiasts," has a less likely chance to offend than somthing snarky. Typing out that you were referring to the post and it wasn't personal is a lot like saying "by all due respect." It doesn't make the rest of the message all rosy. As moncha notes, it all just seems to be the thread starting off on the wrong foot; and limitations of internet forum communication leading to miscommunication. On top of this, she got jumpy...and there's that snowball.

Again though, I would like to point out that I'd hate this forum to become like all the other forums I've been through over the years and years (most of them dealing with specific cars). There's a distinct culture and personality here that's special. A culture that doesn't have some oligarch of jaded forum regulars that gang up on "newbs." With their inside jokes and snobby attitudes and blindly "having each others' backs." Can you see how much worse that thread would have been had it started off like it did, then snowballed even greater with posts from 10 other "regulars" telling jusnauty off? THe effect on that OP is not what I would lament. If it turned out to be several members telling OP how stupid she was rather than the needless exchange contained to just those two participants, I'd be tempted to completely leave VX.info myself (rather than the semi-lurking I've done for years).

[Moncha]

Is that a Recaro seat?

[crager34]

In my opinion, it is of no consequence that Jamas is a long time user/poster here and the OP of that thread (which I seen) was a newbie. I do think they made some simple mistakes with how they were presenting the "sale" of their VX. Yes, most of us here know you Jamas, but your reply could have been and obviously was construed with some sort of ill intent.

Who is at fault here then? Who has the responsibility of making sure the communication is received as it is sent? In my world, I take what people say as what they mean. If my perception is off, then I ask questions.

Again and in my opinion: I say both of you were a bit off or even wrong. They were a bit to sensitive to what you said, and you were not clear on your intent. Now.... what was the outcome? We lost what could have possibly been a valuable member of this VX "family".

This one might be a bit harsh, but I promise it is only meant for perspective. Jamas, you said you were thinking about leaving due to this. Could it be that you are being a bit to sensative about this, much like that OP was to your comment?

In closing: THINK before you speak. THINK before you act.

[Scott Harness]

Thinking before you speak?!I never thought of that

[JAMAS]

But surely, something along the lines of, "justnauty, it would help you sell your wonderfuil vx if you posted pictures, mileage, and other information that is not a given on a forum of vx enthusiasts," has a less likely chance to offend than somthing snarky.

Okay, if that is the case. Why couldnt he have done the same.

justnauty could have just as easily said...

"if you are not interested in purchasing, please don't make any comments" or something to that tune.

I made a comment which I had honestly meant as a comment on the general ads of the global car industry. He clearly copied and pasted that ad from somewhere. Look in the paper, or listen to one of those car sales tv shows with the big guy selling cars as they drive through. "Its got A/C and floor mats, only $2,942" I meant no disrespect to his ad at all. If it came off that way, than HE misunderstood. Its pretty hard to misunderstand his attack on me. My reply to those attacks were a little bit more "snarky", but that is because of the un-deniable verbal attack. I have put alot of "good credit" in so when I make a misunderstood comment and need to withdraw some "bad credit" it shouldn't be a big deal. All this dude had was "bad credit". And no I am not leaving the site. My reason for saying that I hope this doesnt begin my dissapearance from the site, was becuase I dont want to continue to add trust and friendship "energy" towards the site if I didnt have the same coming from the other side. I would have simply become a "lurker" and read the troubleshooting threads as needed.

I appreciate the supportive comments and the light hearted joking to help clear the air.

I feel at this point, everything that needs to have been said, has. So since the horse is dead, lets not beat it any further.

[tom4bren]

So since the horse is dead, lets not beat it any further.

Great ... now ya just pissed off all the animal activists on the board.

[ZEUS]

YAY!!! Tom should always be the first one to post after reading about a dead horse!

[nfpgasmask]

I don't know what the original post was, nor did I read all the replies here, but I will say this:

This is an Internet forum. There is absolutely nothing on here that anyone should get riled up over. The fact that people get angry over things said online is about as ridiculous as getting pissed off over a video game.

I dunno, that's just my opinion. Real life takes precedence over virtual life for me. That is why you didn't see me on that thread. I have too many real things to worry about to get worked up over some crap someone said online.

You all know me as a very opinionated person. I am. And while you might think I am getting heated about an issue because of the way I write (prime example, my discussion about the color of the hood insert with circmand) I can assure you it is all in good fun.



Bart

[ZEUS]

FORGET YOU, GASMASK! ...if that is indeed your real name...

[tom4bren]

YAY!!! Tom should always be the first one to post after reading about a dead horse!

I was wondering if anyone would remember when I had that siggy. Trust brutha Zeus to pull it from the dregs of hiz memory.