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    I had forgotten about the Dumond case, VXR. I seem to recall one of the crucial aspects of that case being the question, as you have highlighted, of Huckabee's possibly applying inappropriate pressure to the parole board. I believe that incident is still highly contentious, with pretty good evidence supporting the accusation, but a lot of it possibly tainted by political payback and CYA.

    Let me ask you a question: Given that you view as a good thing the idea that governors will significantly role back there clemency/pardon/commutation/etc decisions as a result of this incident, how do you arrrive at this "one good thing" assessment? What I mean is, how do you measure the benefits versus the downside? I assume you see the benefit as "a certain portion of these parolees/commutees/clemency cases would have reverted and committed horrible crimes, so we have prevented that happening." But given that the purpose of all these gubernatorial decisions is to even out discrepencies in sentencing between district courts, to compensate for those wierd legal situations where the idiosynchracies of the law allowed a transgression of a certain level to be punished at a much higher level, where an apparant overreach of the prosecutor appears to have resulted in overpunishment, or possilby where a convict has demonstrated extraordinary potential, how do you measure the benefit of that? Its much easier to point to a couple of cases where the worst happened and say "I told you so." Its much harder to point to the numerous cases where nothing bad happened at all and say "see the system worked, this person became a productive citezen" That just doesnt make headlines.

    I guess what I'm asking is, do the thousands of cases where the clemancy "worked", (which I define as a non-recidivist case) matter? Or should we only concern ourselves with the demonstrated worst outcomes (Clemmons, Dumond), and based on those assume the worst in all of them? If there is a reasonable possibility of actual rehabilitation, rather than merely retribution for the crime, should that be considered?

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    I never stated there should never be any clemency, pardons, or commutations. I just wanted to point out that it can be overdone as I believe it was in the case of Huckabee.

    We only know of these two cases because they killed people. It would be interesting to know how many of the 1,033 did re-offend to a lesser degree and/or did not get caught.

    So yes I think governors thinking twice or being extra careful when making these decisions is a good thing.

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    I do not know why there should be clemency

    The rules are set. People get there day in court. A ton of tax payer money is spent for the trial even more for an attorney for one who cant afford one. A jury who has heard all the evidence decides guilt ajudge who heard the case decides sentence. Then after all this is done a Governor who knows nothing about the case can over rule it. Or in the case of Clinton anyone who can come up with a million or two can get a pardon even if they did not serve one day of their sentence.

    On top of that we coddle them in prison. Meals that are not only 3 a day but Kosher or other dietary specials. Yeah if they are so religous why were they out committing crimes? Required AC and exercise time.

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    Must be Monday...

    Here we go again...

    At least y'all have the good sense to take weekends off.

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    Talking and yet

    you still continue to read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circmand View Post
    [And yet] you still continue to read it.
    ... while hoping to see "THE END."

    J/k, have fun guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circmand View Post
    you still continue to read it.
    At this point, it's become it's own car wreck.

    You don't want to look, yet feel strangely compelled...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldub View Post
    At this point, it's become it's own car wreck.

    You don't want to look, yet feel strangely compelled...
    sorta like anytime Dumke posts a new pic. Afraid to look ... jest can't hep yersef.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Put a smiley after you say that Bub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldub View Post
    At this point, it's become it's own car wreck.

    You don't want to look, yet feel strangely compelled...
    Boy, not me. I alway keep my eyes closed till I feel the impact and hear glass breaking. My DD is a 08 F-350 lifted 6", my last incidents were with "Smart" cars. However, I will say I did feel compelled to look in my rear view mirror.
    So I said to myself, I said "Handee"
    and this voice came back and said..
    "He's not in, may we take a message?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by circmand View Post
    Required AC and exercise time.
    Not in Maricopa County!
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    thats true

    and pink jump suits to boot

    Go Sheriff Joe

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