4 Officers shot near Lakewood WA

[ZubrAZ]

I keep waiting for the world to get better and for society to improve. Until then, I will continue to carry my concealed weapon on me at all times loaded with Black Talon bullets. Perhaps someday, I will be in the right place at the right time and can alter a perpitrator's original plan of attack with one of my own. I look forward to the opportunity.

... and I'll be waiting for the day when one more of such "carriers" gets crazy and shot innocent people. Or his kids accidentally shot neighborhood dog using his gun.

always wanted to see the statistics on how many innocent people were killed by easily accessible weapons vs how many lives were saved by them [easily accessible weapons]

[nfpgasmask]

... and I'll be waiting for the day when one more of such "carriers" gets crazy and shot innocent people. Or his kids accidentally shot neighborhood dog using his gun.

always wanted to see the statistics on how many innocent people were killed by easily accessible weapons vs how many lives were saved by them [easily accessible weapons]

The stats are out there if you look. But the fact of the matter is that the media likes to tell the bad stories most of the time. You rarely hear about crimes stopped by law abiding citizens carrying a concealed weapon. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but when it comes to gun laws, there is unfortunately no middle ground, it's either for or against. I'm no right-wing red-neck, but I do enjoy my freedoms.

This is America, not the UK, and I support my right to keep, carry and use a firearm. I've said it before and I will say it again- I would rather live in a slightly dangerous FREE country than a boring and tame country were everything is illegal. After they take my guns, they will take my VehiCROSS too.

I hope they catch the P.O.S. and put him through a meat grinder...slowly...with lots of salt.

Bart

[handeeman]

I forget who said it but:
" Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote."

[Mark B]

When the shooters are found guilty of murder, give them one week and they go to the gas chamber. None of this death row stuff and waiting to die of old age while in prison.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the officers and there families.

[RabidPony]

When the shooters are found guilty of murder, give them one week and they go to the gas chamber. None of this death row stuff and waiting to die of old age while in prison.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the officers and there families.

Not even a week. If found guilty you get ONE appeal then it's straight out the back of the courthouse to a firing squad, the hangman, or the chair. I don't give a rats *** about giving a murdering scumbag a humane death. I hope this dirtbag never sees the inside of a courthouse.

[KeithVXlvr]

... and I'll be waiting for the day when one more of such "carriers" gets crazy and shot innocent people. Or his kids accidentally shot neighborhood dog using his gun.

always wanted to see the statistics on how many innocent people were killed by easily accessible weapons vs how many lives were saved by them [easily accessible weapons]

ZubraAZ - You are an idiot; shown by your comments. I have a great idea, let’s make guns illegal, I am pretty sure the criminals will turn them in and not create a huge black market for ammunition and guns as well...

Go get 'em Riff Raff !!!!!

[ZubrAZ]

nfpgasmask, i'll appreciate your efforts if you'll help me to find those stats

[nfpgasmask]

nfpgasmask, i'll appreciate your efforts if you'll help me to find those stats

Unfortunately, my company has blocked all sites related to guns and weapons (go figure, gotta love corporate censorship) so I can't get to any gun sites, but I'm sure if you do a search you will find lots of sites with stories of self defense with a concealed weapon.

Anyway, somehow this site is open and has some info:
http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx

I guess I just don't understand why there is such a movement against guns. Yes, they are devices designed with a single, clearly defined purpose. But this country was founded on the freedoms many people take for granted. And it was also born of violence. There is no utopia. There never will be, so long as humankind inhabits this planet. And like I said before, a little danger is fun. Who wants to live in a completely sterile society where everything is illegal except TV and video games and fast food???

Sorry, but there is no convincing me that the world can be a better place.

Bart

[VXR]

On the Huckabee thing, that has been discussed in the news as well. He came out and said he feels bad about this and feels like he's to blame. But he said that they sent letters out to find out whether the guy's sentence should be commuted to the prosecutor, judge, PD, and two other groups. The judge said he should be commuted, and one of the other groups, the rest did not respond. Huck said he had about 1200 of these a year, and tried to research all of them. The guy was sentenced to 100+ years of prison at the age of 16. The commuted sentence was cut in half I believe, and made him available for parole. Everyone thought the sentence was too heavy, even the judge. So Huckabee listened to their recommendations...
I blame the killer, not Huckabee.
My .02

not if you believe this guy:

Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley, whose office opposed Clemmons' parole in 2000 and 2004, said Huckabee's comments were "red herrings."

"My word to Mr. Huckabee is man up and own what you did," Jegley said

If only politics was about reasoning and not soundbytes, maybe the general public would share the same opinion in 2012. But somehow I think he'll more likely be portrayed as an irresponsible accessory to murder

This is not the first person he let out who ended up killing someone.

[vt_maverick]

This is not the first person he let out who ended up killing someone.

Makes you miss G-Dub doesn't it? I'm pretty sure I read that he let every inmate on death row fry during his tenture as TX governor. No exceptions.

[pbkid]

I guess I just don't understand why there is such a movement against guns. Yes, they are devices designed with a single, clearly defined purpose. But this country was founded on the freedoms many people take for granted. And it was also born of violence. There is no utopia. There never will be, so long as humankind inhabits this planet. And like I said before, a little danger is fun. Who wants to live in a completely sterile society where everything is illegal except TV and video games and fast food???

Sorry, but there is no convincing me that the world can be a better place.

Bart

x2....

i would MUCH rather have a chance to protect myself than just be a unarmed moving target.....f-that....

ill keep my guns, and ill keep em close

[djvx]

... and I'll be waiting for the day when one more of such "carriers" gets crazy and shot innocent people. Or his kids accidentally shot neighborhood dog using his gun.

always wanted to see the statistics on how many innocent people were killed by easily accessible weapons vs how many lives were saved by them [easily accessible weapons]

Hey ZubrAZ, One of the cops shot back, and hit the shooter in the gut. And maybe if others in the restaraunt had guns they could have shot and KILLED the shooter before he got away. . . Go take a gun shooting class or learn about the subject a little more. Your opinion sounds quite uninformed.

[circmand]

Not to pile on but while you are waiting for a legally armed citizen to screw up and accidentally shoot an inocent bystander illegally armed armed felons are shooting and killing people all over the country. Face it the are enough laws on the books about fire arms and other stuff. Its just that criminals do not obey the laws. So new laws limiting law abiding citizens even further will make us easier targets not safer. While more laws may make you feel safer because you ignore the common sense result it is not a reason for me to be less protected.

[pbkid]

Hey ZubrAZ, One of the cops shot back, and hit the shooter in the gut. And maybe if others in the restaraunt had guns they could have shot and KILLED the shooter before he got away. . . Go take a gun shooting class or learn about the subject a little more. Your opinion sounds quite uninformed.

umm..... every report i heard said that all the officers were armed.......
did i hear the wrong report?

[RabidPony]

umm..... every report i heard said that all the officers were armed.......
did i hear the wrong report?

He means what if some of the other patrons had guns. The perp knew the police were armed and used the element of surprise to neutralize them before they could really retaliate. However, if one or more of the cafe's other patrons had been armed, they could have eliminated him then and there. Possibly saving the life of one or more of the officers.

I would love to be able to carry but getting your permit in California takes an act of God.