4 Officers shot near Lakewood WA

[ZubrAZ]

nfpgasmask, i'll appreciate your efforts if you'll help me to find those stats

[nfpgasmask]

nfpgasmask, i'll appreciate your efforts if you'll help me to find those stats

Unfortunately, my company has blocked all sites related to guns and weapons (go figure, gotta love corporate censorship) so I can't get to any gun sites, but I'm sure if you do a search you will find lots of sites with stories of self defense with a concealed weapon.

Anyway, somehow this site is open and has some info:
http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx

I guess I just don't understand why there is such a movement against guns. Yes, they are devices designed with a single, clearly defined purpose. But this country was founded on the freedoms many people take for granted. And it was also born of violence. There is no utopia. There never will be, so long as humankind inhabits this planet. And like I said before, a little danger is fun. Who wants to live in a completely sterile society where everything is illegal except TV and video games and fast food???

Sorry, but there is no convincing me that the world can be a better place.

Bart

[VXR]

On the Huckabee thing, that has been discussed in the news as well. He came out and said he feels bad about this and feels like he's to blame. But he said that they sent letters out to find out whether the guy's sentence should be commuted to the prosecutor, judge, PD, and two other groups. The judge said he should be commuted, and one of the other groups, the rest did not respond. Huck said he had about 1200 of these a year, and tried to research all of them. The guy was sentenced to 100+ years of prison at the age of 16. The commuted sentence was cut in half I believe, and made him available for parole. Everyone thought the sentence was too heavy, even the judge. So Huckabee listened to their recommendations...
I blame the killer, not Huckabee.
My .02

not if you believe this guy:

Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley, whose office opposed Clemmons' parole in 2000 and 2004, said Huckabee's comments were "red herrings."

"My word to Mr. Huckabee is man up and own what you did," Jegley said

If only politics was about reasoning and not soundbytes, maybe the general public would share the same opinion in 2012. But somehow I think he'll more likely be portrayed as an irresponsible accessory to murder

This is not the first person he let out who ended up killing someone.

[pbkid]

I guess I just don't understand why there is such a movement against guns. Yes, they are devices designed with a single, clearly defined purpose. But this country was founded on the freedoms many people take for granted. And it was also born of violence. There is no utopia. There never will be, so long as humankind inhabits this planet. And like I said before, a little danger is fun. Who wants to live in a completely sterile society where everything is illegal except TV and video games and fast food???

Sorry, but there is no convincing me that the world can be a better place.

Bart

x2....

i would MUCH rather have a chance to protect myself than just be a unarmed moving target.....f-that....

ill keep my guns, and ill keep em close

[djvx]

... and I'll be waiting for the day when one more of such "carriers" gets crazy and shot innocent people. Or his kids accidentally shot neighborhood dog using his gun.

always wanted to see the statistics on how many innocent people were killed by easily accessible weapons vs how many lives were saved by them [easily accessible weapons]

Hey ZubrAZ, One of the cops shot back, and hit the shooter in the gut. And maybe if others in the restaraunt had guns they could have shot and KILLED the shooter before he got away. . . Go take a gun shooting class or learn about the subject a little more. Your opinion sounds quite uninformed.

[circmand]

Not to pile on but while you are waiting for a legally armed citizen to screw up and accidentally shoot an inocent bystander illegally armed armed felons are shooting and killing people all over the country. Face it the are enough laws on the books about fire arms and other stuff. Its just that criminals do not obey the laws. So new laws limiting law abiding citizens even further will make us easier targets not safer. While more laws may make you feel safer because you ignore the common sense result it is not a reason for me to be less protected.

[pbkid]

Hey ZubrAZ, One of the cops shot back, and hit the shooter in the gut. And maybe if others in the restaraunt had guns they could have shot and KILLED the shooter before he got away. . . Go take a gun shooting class or learn about the subject a little more. Your opinion sounds quite uninformed.

umm..... every report i heard said that all the officers were armed.......
did i hear the wrong report?

[RabidPony]

umm..... every report i heard said that all the officers were armed.......
did i hear the wrong report?

He means what if some of the other patrons had guns. The perp knew the police were armed and used the element of surprise to neutralize them before they could really retaliate. However, if one or more of the cafe's other patrons had been armed, they could have eliminated him then and there. Possibly saving the life of one or more of the officers.

I would love to be able to carry but getting your permit in California takes an act of God.

[pbkid]

He means what if some of the other patrons had guns. The perp knew the police were armed and used the element of surprise to neutralize them before they could really retaliate. However, if one or more of the cafe's other patrons had been armed, they could have eliminated him then and there. Possibly saving the life of one or more of the officers.
ya, this is truely sad. one more argument for keeping CWL's around

I would love to be able to carry but getting your permit in California takes an act of God.

really sad. this is the kinda stuff that causes cops to be overly cautious and seem like a-holes.

[PK]

You guys are way too generous to this A****hole.

Why should he enjoy a quick death when the families of the 4 officers will suffer for years to come.

This offender should be thrown in a dark cell, never to see daylight again, and fed on bread and water for the rest of his life.
With absolutely no communication, verbal, written, or otherwise.

Let him suffer and linger for a long time.





Now you have seen my dark side.

PK

[Gussie2000]

This is sad news.

I always support the fact that once a individual's criminal behavior becomes cronic it shouldn't be let free at all.

This guys have a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong tale to say when it comes to criminal activities,how dare Mr hukabee can let this bizarre living being out to roam the streets.

I think hukabee & this monster shall be put together to share the same jail room.

To these police officers families my sincere condolences

[VX KAT]

I was thinkin' this sure as heck probably tanks Huckabee's prez aspirations........can you say Dukakis and Willy Horton?
This horrific crime is far too horrible to ever forget....
Ambushed in a diner, not even a chance! Fry 'em! Hang 'em high! I lived in Texas for 12 yrs, and loved every minute of it.....All of the above!

[Ldub]

Clemmons shot & killed by Police this morning...

[VXR]

Clemmons shot & killed by Police this morning...

Sounds like up to six or seven of his friends and family were helping him evade police and will now face charges

[samneil2000]

Clemmons shot & killed by Police this morning...

On the Huckabee thing, that has been discussed in the news as well. He came out and said he feels bad about this and feels like he's to blame. But he said that they sent letters out to find out whether the guy's sentence should be commuted to the prosecutor, judge, PD, and two other groups. The judge said he should be commuted, and one of the other groups, the rest did not respond. Huck said he had about 1200 of these a year, and tried to research all of them. The guy was sentenced to 100+ years of prison at the age of 16. The commuted sentence was cut in half I believe, and made him available for parole. Everyone thought the sentence was too heavy, even the judge. So Huckabee listened to their recommendations...
I blame the killer, not Huckabee.
My .02