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[psychos2]

You did not read the whole story, she got her permit back. So at the time of her death she had her permit. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. She was not carrying it concealed. And to a kids soccer game. She did not have to carry it the way she did , concealed yes ,not concealed No. shawn

[pbkid]

if your going to talk about something controversial, know your facts first.....

same problem you had in our camera/'cops' discussion

[tomdietrying]

craiger34,
You didn't get it did you?
Peace.
Tom

p.s.
I bet I know who you voted for too. lol

[circmand]

1 she had the gun legally in a holster withis easy reach
2 the cops abused their authority and pulled her permit because a few women could not deal with the site of a gun
3 a judge legally gave her back her gun and permit but verbally assaulted her for what was 100% legal\
4. she then felt the need to hid e her gun in her back pack instead of having it in her holster as is 100% legal
5. when her husband murdered her the gun was stuffed in her back pack and unavailable as opposed to on her hip in the holster.
6. apparently gun rights opponents can see imaginary cheating over a computer as a reason for the husband to murder his wife but can not see this woman had a need to have a gun immediately accesable to her.
7. tha fact that she was murdered and the police who abused their authority wrere no where around is proof she needed her weapon immediately available and the cops are useless

[pbkid]

hey circ, do you know the laws in Pa??

what may be legal in your state changes per state....

[Anita]

[psychos2]

1 she had the gun legally in a holster withis easy reach
2 the cops abused their authority and pulled her permit because a few women could not deal with the site of a gun
3 a judge legally gave her back her gun and permit but verbally assaulted her for what was 100% legal\
4. she then felt the need to hid e her gun in her back pack instead of having it in her holster as is 100% legal
5. when her husband murdered her the gun was stuffed in her back pack and unavailable as opposed to on her hip in the holster.
6. apparently gun rights opponents can see imaginary cheating over a computer as a reason for the husband to murder his wife but can not see this woman had a need to have a gun immediately accesable to her.
7. tha fact that she was murdered and the police who abused their authority wrere no where around is proof she needed her weapon immediately available and the cops are useless

Her husband shot her while she was in her home on her computer. She was in her home. If you did not understand the first time. I doubt the judge told her not to wear the gun concealed in her home. From what I read her husband walked up behind her and shot her, in her home. I would guess the gun was not on her because she was in her home. This did not happen at the soccer game. She would not have had time to draw her gun and shoot her husband. I get from what you have been complaining about is that you hate cops? Cops are useless? There should be no cops? Is that what you are trying to say? Because thats what it sounds like to me. And you keep ssstttrrreeeccchhhiiinnnggg the truth to make cops look bad. This is a free country I have rights to do whatever I want ,is that what you think? You have the right to do what you want as long as you do not break any laws doing it. If you break the laws and get caught there are consequences. Most adults know this, and they also take responsibility for there actions. IT IN NO WAY WAS THE COP OR JUDGES FAULT SHE WAS KILLED GET OVER IT!!!!! AND IT IS NOT THE COPS FAULT WHEN YOU ARE SPEEDING AND GET A TICKET EITHER!!!! shawn

[crager34]

I obviously got something out of it, which was again: Personal responsibility. To carry a gun like that, in that situation was reckless. The murder that came later, whether related to the carrying of the gun, or her loss of being able to carry the gun is a stretch. To blame it on the "system"... in my opinion is an even bigger stretch.

I wanted Ron Paul, but voted for a candidate whom I thought would actually make some changes. Nader. Seriously? Did you think you knew that one?

craiger34,
You didn't get it did you?
Peace.
Tom

p.s.
I bet I know who you voted for too. lol

[handeeman]

I obviously got something out of it, which was again: Personal responsibility. To carry a gun like that, in that situation was reckless. The murder that came later, whether related to the carrying of the gun, or her loss of being able to carry the gun is a stretch. To blame it on the "system"... in my opinion is an even bigger stretch.

I wanted Ron Paul, but voted for a candidate whom I thought would actually make some changes. Nader. Seriously? Did you think you knew that one?

I wrote in H.Ross Perot....oh well.

[technocoy]

Wow, it's the "us vs them" again. When will the people on the left and right realize that most of us are in the middle and think you are all a bunch of extremist kooks?

I think that gun ownership is a limited basic right based on whether you are a friggin nutjob or not. Clearly, these people probably would have wound up better off had they NOT had guns in their possession/home. These were LEGAL gun owners too. The guy that shot up Virginia Tech? Legally purchased weapons.

There-in lies the problem. Figuring out who is a nutjob. That's a very hard thing to know. I support gun ownership with extensive background checks. If you are in such a hurry that you can't wait a week or two to get a gun other than a rifle or shotgun, well, something seems fishy about that to me. If you are legit, so what? you still get your gun, personal protection, etc.

I figure if you are blatantly showing your *** by blinging your piece at a soccer game with children running around you are probably a bit of a nut. Just my opinion of course. I have nuts in my family. They all think everyone is out to get them and they all carry guns at inappropriate times. They also all stockpiled tons of ammo and ****e for Y2K. That's cool in the end though because I would up with a bunch of free rounds over the years since then ;-)

I also think if you show up at a presidential speech with an assault rifle blatantly out in the open walking around with a bunch of people protesting health care you are probably a nut.

If you live in a very populated city it's probably going to incite some fear in people if you show up on the subway strapped. This can be solved by requiring concealed permits to carry in larger cities and requiring you to actually conceal it. It's called compromise. If you don't like compromise then maybe you need a cabin in the woods all alone. Being a part of the human race is about being with and around others and that requires compromise as long as we aren't all clones of a single mentality.

I think if you are a responsible gun owner you don't have the need to let everyone know you have one. You are secure in your ability to use it and protect yourself and therefore don't need to be a threatening unapproachable ***.

My .45 stays in my bedside table and my shotgun in the closet. the .45 also travels with me when going somewhere out of the ordinary. I suppose if I'm not comfortable in a situation I would probably pocket it. I don't have a concealed permit, but I don't usually wind up in places where I feel the need to have a handgun. I suppose someone could one day rob a store I'm in, but the chances of that are I have to imagine much smaller than being in a car accident. Besides the fact is that most stores and banks don't allow you to have a weapon concealed or otherwise.

If someone gets the jump on you in a shady joint/alleyway, you probably wouldn't have the reaction time to get to your gun anyway. You be better off training in a few weapon disarming moves through a martial arts instructor. They are fairly easy to do and more than likely would make your life a little less stressful since you must go through life always expecting someone to murder you.

I'm a pretty cynical guy. I'm pretty disturbed with the way things look sometimes. I'm a gun owner. I was raised hunting and fishing and camping and always checking my 6. I was also raised that not everyone is comfortable with the same things and I have rights as long as they don't incur on others rights. I think that a bunch of children and their mothers, no matter how obnoxious they are have the right to not have a handgun brandished in the open at their fracking soccer match. I DON'T however think they should be allowed to drive their giant suburbans whilst on the phone or doing makeup.

This is beside the point though since you obviously never read the article until called out about it and then tried to make it sound like the "fuzz" and all the evil, orgy loving, satan kissing,commie liberals somehow made this woman's own husband walk up behind her and shoot her. The funny thing about it is how you wanted it to be about some gun hating liberal making this awesome everyday gun toting woman into the devil and then murdering her in her own home, when really it was about only her and her also gun loving husband having their own problems with their legally and quite personal gun collection. Kinda back-fired.

I wish all the normal, middle of the road folks who use good ol' common sense and live in a world where things aren't always black and white could just let the pelosi's and reid's have a state or two and the palin's and the cheney's have one or two and the rest of us could just agree to meet in the middle and actually get some ****e done.

THESE topics are the tiny little thorns they like to stick in our sides to try and wedge us apart and distract us from the larger and more sinister picture. If people would, for a moment, put their religions, gun issues, abortion opinions to the side for just a moment things become just about hard-working people living in a country and an economy together who are all being fleeced. Take away the name calling and the ethnocentricity of it all and we're just people who need to learn to get along about the bigger issues of life.

Personal responsibility, manners, compassion, family values and respect for others is what is in danger of being lost here. As we all forget to walk a mile in another persons shoes it becomes easier to never see that person's plight and vice verse.

This culture of ME! ME! ME! quickly turns into a very lonely scenario. Kids who don't understand the importance of life and liberty never care when they take it or ruin it for someone else.

COMMON COURTESY.

Sorry for the long post, I think I took the flame bait.

[tomdietrying]

technocoy, very eliquant and thought out. I agree 100%.
Peace.
Tom

p.s.
craiger34,
Yeah, I guessed Ron Paul. lol