Bitten by a Camera

[circmand]

Those were actually rhetorical questions.

But I have to say that if you've ever read a comment I've made here where I claimed to be some high-up governmental official that could fix all of your official problems (neighborhood-wide, city-wide, etc, etc) if I just knew what they were, I'd like to see a printed copy of the remark, signed, dated, and notarized, then sent to me in triplicate via registered courier, because I surely don't recall ever having made such a comment. (Even though the way I just phrased that probably just made me sound exactly what I'm claiming NOT to be. )

I mean, I sincerely empathize will all the BS some are expected to put up with these days, but are we still talking about traffic cameras...or what?

I read this several times not sure what you meant to say

[Y33TREKker]

I read this several times not sure what you meant to say

The rhetorical part meant that I already knew what the answers probably were to the questions I was asking, ie;

"Catch you doing what?" - I already knew that in order to warrant being caught, you probably had to be speeding in the first place.

"Slow down from what?" - A cops' presence getting you to slow down means that you had probably been speeding in the first place, otherwise, why would you feel it necessary to slow down just because a cop was present?

And I seriously wasn't trying to be an *** or anything, merely pointing out the obvious; That if you weren't probably disregarding speed limits in the first place, there would be no reason to "slow down" to avoid being "caught".

I wasn't trying to single you out either, but the way you had phrased your comments (implying innocence of any wrongdoing using the logic that it isn't wrong if everyone else is doing it too) just reminded me of the multitude of people nowadays who knowingly flout laws, but then are quick to start pointing out the injustices in the system when they turn out to be among the unfortunate few who happen to get caught. I mean, how many people have you ever personally heard joke about something "not being illegal if you don't get caught?" Sure, it's usually said in a joking manner, and possibly just said to try to impress, but these days it sure does seem to be a philosophy that more and more people are pushing to see what they can get away with.

Some prime examples of that philosophy taken to extremes were brought up earlier. Bernie Madoff, AIG, Fannie May. You tell me how many insiders there probably were who knew full well that the things they were promoting weren't quite kosher, but rather than follow their conscience, ended up having that inconvenient thought eased out of their minds by all the potential dollar signs flowing in through their eyes?

Anyway, now I'm getting off topic. In the last part of my earlier comment, I was only curious why you kept pointing out to me what you considered injustices regarding the issues of your next step HOA's, etc, and wondering if I had at some point given you the impression that I could officially do anything about them.

While I may agree that some of the rules you listed being decreed by the gov't and your local HOA's aren't quite fair, I just don't see how deciding for yourself that those rules are unfair justifies breaking other rules...rules for example, like...speed limits.

[VX KAT]

my brain hurts.....

[tom4bren]

"A cops' presence getting you to slow down means that you had probably been speeding in the first place, otherwise, why would you feel it necessary to slow down just because a cop was present?"

Now there's a leap of logic that doesn't translate to the real world. I see it alla time ... peeps driving at or below the speed limit still slow down when they see the POPO.

[Y33TREKker]

Now there's a leap of logic that doesn't translate to the real world. I see it alla time ... peeps driving at or below the speed limit still slow down when they see the POPO.

Well you'd have to ask each person who slows down because a police car is present and they aren't speeding their reasons for doing so, because the logic behind that escapes me too.

But speaking of translating to the real world, whether you are in a 35 or a 65 mph zone, how often nowadays do you actually find yourself and your peeps driving at or below the speed limit?

[pbkid]

really circ? you believe everything you see on 'cops'?? do you really think they give you the whole story?
yes, there are time when cops use excessive force and times when they have used it incorrectly.

but its the other side of the story that the news/'cops' doesnt tell you.

ive seen video's in class where the professor will show you: a cop being shot at, then being hit with a baseball hat, then the guy spitting in his face while he talks to him, then the guy kicks the cop in the nuts and takes off running... then the video switches to the same foot chase on 'cops' where the officer finally catches him and throws him down face first and arrests him. so what YOU see is the cop being 'excessive' but really he was using equal, or LESS force than the guy being chased. so people like you get all fired up because his chief is protecting him. get the whole story before you take sides my friend.

you really expect a cop to go to a heavily armed drug dealers house and knock on the door and ask them nicely to please stop what they are doing? thats rediculous! there is EXTENSIVE research done on a situation long before they go kicking in doors. if a team of officers are kicking in a door with bullet proof vests on, there is a damn good reason! drug dealers houses are booby trapped, trip-wired for bombs.... come on man! be realistic.

i had a longer more in-depth version but the site booted me before i could post it

the reason these guys are kicking in doors with bullet-proof vests on is to protect their LIVES! these are the people the work day in and day out to protect your right to walk down the street, and to criticize them.

[psychos2]

really circ? you believe everything you see on 'cops'?? do you really think they give you the whole story?
yes, there are time when cops use excessive force and times when they have used it incorrectly.

but its the other side of the story that the news/'cops' doesnt tell you.

ive seen video's in class where the professor will show you: a cop being shot at, then being hit with a baseball hat, then the guy spitting in his face while he talks to him, then the guy kicks the cop in the nuts and takes off running... then the video switches to the same foot chase on 'cops' where the officer finally catches him and throws him down face first and arrests him. so what YOU see is the cop being 'excessive' but really he was using equal, or LESS force than the guy being chased. so people like you get all fired up because his chief is protecting him. get the whole story before you take sides my friend.

you really expect a cop to go to a heavily armed drug dealers house and knock on the door and ask them nicely to please stop what they are doing? thats rediculous! there is EXTENSIVE research done on a situation long before they go kicking in doors. if a team of officers are kicking in a door with bullet proof vests on, there is a damn good reason! drug dealers houses are booby trapped, trip-wired for bombs.... come on man! be realistic.

i had a longer more in-depth version but the site booted me before i could post it

the reason these guys are kicking in doors with bullet-proof vests on is to protect their LIVES! these are the people the work day in and day out to protect your right to walk down the street, and to criticize them.

X2 shawn

[circmand]

really circ? you believe everything you see on 'cops'?? do you really think they give you the whole story?
yes, there are time when cops use excessive force and times when they have used it incorrectly.

but its the other side of the story that the news/'cops' doesnt tell you.

ive seen video's in class where the professor will show you: a cop being shot at, then being hit with a baseball hat, then the guy spitting in his face while he talks to him, then the guy kicks the cop in the nuts and takes off running... then the video switches to the same foot chase on 'cops' where the officer finally catches him and throws him down face first and arrests him. so what YOU see is the cop being 'excessive' but really he was using equal, or LESS force than the guy being chased. so people like you get all fired up because his chief is protecting him. get the whole story before you take sides my friend.

you really expect a cop to go to a heavily armed drug dealers house and knock on the door and ask them nicely to please stop what they are doing? thats rediculous! there is EXTENSIVE research done on a situation long before they go kicking in doors. if a team of officers are kicking in a door with bullet proof vests on, there is a damn good reason! drug dealers houses are booby trapped, trip-wired for bombs.... come on man! be realistic.

i had a longer more in-depth version but the site booted me before i could post it

the reason these guys are kicking in doors with bullet-proof vests on is to protect their LIVES! these are the people the work day in and day out to protect your right to walk down the street, and to criticize them.

what I see video taped and released with the permission of the cops. The cops allow the person to ride with tem and have final approval of everything taped before it is released. So when I see a dozen heavily armed cops in a hotel room and another cop luring one drug dealer in to an adjoining room and the dealer immediately giving up and yet the dozen cops attacking the crook yes the cops are nothing more than a more heavily armed gang that has the judge and attorney general on the payroll that lets them get away with breaking the law. Sure if the dealer has a gun the cops have a right to shoot and kill the dealer but when they shoot unarmed people or murder a groom on his wedding night and the guy had no gun but they pump 50 rounds into the guy. Yeah those cops are butchers and should be given the death penalty. When the shoot a 13 year old inthe back who is running away from them because they are too fat tooo run the unarmed 13 year old down yeah they should be arrested for murder, when peopel like OJ get off for murder because crooked cops plant evidence yeah they should be arrested for hindering prosecution. Why people think cops should be allowed to break the law just because they are cops is beyond me. In NY there is this guy who calls himself Johhny justice or some stupid name like that who goes out everyday and videotapes cops and city workers violating the lawand the city does nothing why should honest citiczens listen and respect these scumbags anymore than the criminals who are doing the exact same thing. Dont get me wrong if cops werent murdering innocent people taking bribes covering up for crimes I would support them 100% but that is not what is happening. Until the obese cops are fired for not being able to walk up stairs let alone do their jobs, until cops who murder innocent civilians are prosecuted instead of being let off to murder again, until cops arent getting paid a quarter million dollars a year to write traffic tickets while crime is happening rampant on our streets I will question allowing cops to have unfettered control over what they can do.

[Gussie2000]

my brain hurts.....

Nevermind ms sue.it's not illegal .......so far LOL

[Gussie2000]

my brain hurts.....

Nevermind ms sue.it's not illegal .......so far LOL

[pbkid]

and just cause they are cops expect everyone to obey them.

ummmmm........... ya... thats kinda how it works.

thats EXACTLY what your supposed to do... obey them...

my brain hurts.....

ugh. ya.... agreed...

[circmand]

ummmmm........... ya... thats kinda how it works.

thats EXACTLY what your supposed to do... obey them...



ugh. ya.... agreed...

But their authority does not exceed your rights. The right to remain silent yet they are belligerent and do not respect ones rights. Free speech they yell and scream and when people get upset they say you were uncooperative, yet it is natural to yell back. tell people who are just talking to shut up, abuse them and call them names. And have you ever seen when they bust someone and tell them to get down. The normal way to get down is *** first then roll over. no they do not allow that they pull the persons arms behind them and the fling them face first to the pavement. You see this all the time on cops and other cop reality shows.

[psychos2]

But their authority does not exceed your rights. The right to remain silent yet they are belligerent and do not respect ones rights. Free speech they yell and scream and when people get upset they say you were uncooperative, yet it is natural to yell back. tell people who are just talking to shut up, abuse them and call them names. And have you ever seen when they bust someone and tell them to get down. The normal way to get down is *** first then roll over. no they do not allow that they pull the persons arms behind them and the fling them face first to the pavement. You see this all the time on cops and other cop reality shows.

It sounds like you make it worse. And as far as watching what they do on cops, what do you expect after they do not cooperate and the cops had to chase them on foot for ten blocks. Or they were just in a high speed chase because they are stupid and think they can flee and escape. If you try to run then you are going to get treated differently. I am not saying all cops are fair and honest, but you make it worse by not cooperating. shawn

[circmand]

It sounds like you make it worse. And as far as watching what they do on cops, what do you expect after they do not cooperate and the cops had to chase them on foot for ten blocks. Or they were just in a high speed chase because they are stupid and think they can flee and escape. If you try to run then you are going to get treated differently. I am not saying all cops are fair and honest, but you make it worse by not cooperating. shawn

Is for the to behave responsibily. But you make my point, they make some fat *** cop run 10 blocks and they have no problem beating the guy up and we ordinary citizens are supposed to accept that. What is all the training for? The ones I have seen lately the people are not even running it was an undercover drug sting over a nickle bag. They bust down the door yelling at the top of their lungs to get down the guy starts sitting down but this is not enough for the dozen heavily armed cops with bullet proof vests and automatic weapons against a guy weighing 120 pounds who is not armed they pull him up from sitting down and slam him face first into the floor. Videos have shown this one cop strangling an EMT on the scene for helping an accident victim and yelling athim. Other cops have to pull him off yet the police union is fighting for his right to stay a cop. Lets also consider the hundreds of millions of dollars the city of LA has to pay each year for cops abusing their authority. Hey anybody remember Rodney King. Or how about the 50s and 60s when cops were often paid to violently break up civil protests against unions and civil rights. If no one had stood up for the cops we would still have blacks being 2nd class citizens and have very few rights in the work place. Do not confuse the real life cops with what they are supposed to be.

[circmand]

The rhetorical part meant that I already knew what the answers probably were to the questions I was asking, ie;


"Slow down from what?" - A cops' presence getting you to slow down means that you had probably been speeding in the first place, otherwise, why would you feel it necessary to slow down just because a cop was present?
mits.

Do not worry I never take offense, However, my first reaction when I see a cop is always to pull my foot of the gas to start slowing down. I have received speeding tickets when not speeding and the judge automatically takes the cops word. One time i had been stuck behind a school bus and while still behing the cop pulls me over for speeding and it was 10 mph under the speed limit. Cop had no radar, no proof but his word and the judge automatically took his lieing words as truth. I think a lot of people of color can tell you they slow down automatically as well. The cold hard facts are cops are no better than anyone else just because they put on a gun and uniform they lie cheat and steal and have no problems doing it. And a good portion have a bully mentality and get off on the power being a cop gives them because no one respects who they are when they do not have a badge and gun. You see it on cop reality shows all the time. Making suspects say sir and maam and move or do things they have no right to tell them to do and just cause they are cops expect everyone to obey them.

I have met some cops that are entirely decent and are doing the job because they want to serve and protect but there are plenty of the other type around and the unions keep the bad examples on the force instead of putting them in prison where they belong. If a cop is suspected of illegal wrong doing in most cases they get more rights than the citizens they are sworn to protect.