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I agree, but I don't think it is a question of fairness. It's just the whole "big brother is watching" thing to me. Sooner or later, the government will be watching EVERYTHING you do. We'll be lucky if we can still maintain privacy in our own homes.Originally Posted by pbkid
Bart
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All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.
But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?
Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...
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But between 28% federal tax on my income, 7% sales tax on what I spend plus sin tax on cigarettes and and alchohol, plus state tax, city tax, home owners tax, school tax (no kids) I figure over 50% of what I make goes straight to the gvt. Add to that the bottom 20% income earners pay no federal tax, get welfare, get food stamps, etc I am more than paying for much more than I am getting and they are paying far less than they are recieving. The great traffic camers grab is just another step in the government trying to get more money to give away to special interests or to get votes to stay in power. To argue that the law ids the law and we should follow it no matter what is the same idea that keeps Cubans under Castro and Russians under the CZARs. We would still be subjects under British rule if we blindly stumbled around accepting what other people tell us we should do for our own good. The Gvmt is already trying to control what cars we should drive and is attempting to control what health care we should receive. Frankly given that the retards we have in govt. have yet to create a program that actually works I do not think we should blindly follow them. And do not try to argue that I should vote against the people in the next election. Given my one vote versus the votes millions of morons who are so stupid they believe the politician who tells them he/she is going to make things better.
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(Rubs hand together)This is gettin good! Keep 'em coming!
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No you are wrong. What I said had nothing to do with if you were pretty or not. I said "If you obey the laws you will not get tickets." WHICH IS TRUE.I also said " If you do not obey the laws and get a ticket I do not feel sorry for you." WHICH IS ALSO TRUE. And I also said " If I am speeding and get a ticket it is my fault and I take responsibility for my actions , it is part of being an adult." WHICH IS ALSO TRUE. And I also said" If my light is out and I get a ticket it is my fault not the cops." TRUE AGAIN. And finally I said"I hate to here people complain that they broke the law and should not have gotten a ticket. What did you think was going to happen." ALSO TRUE. So I did not make one false statement. Which is also true. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. shawn
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If you're going to seriously try to equate the laws being discussed in this thread (traffic laws specifically) and the consequences of not obeying them (cash penalties) with the potential consequences of not accepting and following the laws set forth by dictators and imperial rule in various foreign countries (past and present), I'm not sure where the discussion can really go from here.
And besides, before we get too far off topic by starting to place that blame I mentioned earlier, the camera issue still boils down to the simple fact that if you don't want a fine sent to you from one of them, don't give it a reason to take your picture in the first place.
As for all the rest, I'm not sure what good trying to nitpick what I say here is going to do. If you're that unhappy with the way things are, I suppose I'd just suggest writing your local congressman of choice and telling HIM what you think. That too is a matter of choice. You can choose to be one of two things, active, or re-active.
Super VXer
Your bill of rights
The problem in this country is that the goverment keeps passing bills that keeps squeezing your way of life more & more.
You become are robot programmed just to wake up,take a shower,have breakfast,head out to work,make the money to fullfill the billionaire deficit gap & get your ***** back home without complaining if your paycheck is enough to put a plate of food over your table when the day is over.
In the name of national security your conversations & movements are under scrutiny every second,Here in NYC your are recorded about 300 times a day where ever you go.
Police men killed a young man by mistake sitting inside his car with more then 50 bullets without the guy ever been armed,the young man celebrating with friends his wedding the following day at a club that was under investigation for drug trades & the PD's were all released of all charges,How that young man familly could ever believe in justice again in a country where we all believe was build on justice for all regardless of what.
Sometimes people ask me why is it in my native country people are all against the goverment & every day they protesting throwing stones at police,burning tires & marching all the time;My answer : because they believe in justice & they'll fight & dye for it.My question to you is when last you protested for your rights ?
Goverment protects its officials when they do mistakes,but you will be well punished if you happens to make one.
Here we don't even try to make the goverment rectify their mistakes,we just swallow what ever they think is right for us even though we don't approve it or neither need none of it because we all too busy living the american dream.
I'm not trying to justify my wrong actions as driver,but there's no such as perfect driver anyhow,but if you as a law enforcement official are commiting the same infractions as well as me you shouldn't be wearing a uniform at all.
And how our taxes can be better spent i think afganistan & iraq is the best way to show you how good they all spending our taxes.
While 40 millions of people here in the US are all out of health insurance coverage we all saw US chief commander in afganistan asking for more troops ( and more taxes to be spend ) to protect afganistan citizens.That is how you believe your taxes should be spent ? I trully don't think my taxes should go to afganistan,iraq o any where but right here.
I believe in justice as the better path to provide peace,but only when is honestly applied.
It's time for bed
Dakar was just the begining.
Super VXer
I'm fairly sure that no country is perfect, and that if you were to ask any resident of any current country, you'd get a confirmation of that opinion in some way or another.
Imagining the worst as the reason for traffic cameras is just one way to look at it though. It could also be imagined that the reason for needing additional traffic cameras is because more and more people are adopting the philosophy that it's not necessary to follow the rules of the road because they think no one else does either.
As far as the subject of traffic cameras goes though, I'd think by now that all of us as VX drivers would be well used to having our driving habits routinely scrutinized by everyone within viewing distance anyway, and not wanting to defame the mystique of the VX for all other owners, would have started driving accordingly since taking ownership.
Super VXer
"A" new camera? Come on down to the DC area. We have redlight cams and speeding cams on nearly every block. It's absurd.
Gary Noonan
'01 S/C VX / '18 Forester XT
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Our local govt just approved these as well but due to people uprising the contract will not be renewed. There are judges throwing all cases out due to illegal nature of these. Ifthat is the case here and law is correct why is it not illegal elsewhere. On top of that they mount cameras on cop cars. Thes $50,000 cop cars are sitting at the side of the road with cameras on them. This is a waste of money. The reason for govt are listed in the constitution. No where is it listed screwing citizens out of their hard earned money. If safety is the factor here than these do not do anything. They secretly catch you and you do not know about it for weeks. A cop prescence will get you to slow down being pulled over will make you think a ticket weeks later does nothing. And if cops can pick and choose who to ticket is is not a just system.
Super VXer
Gus, I was with you most the way until you brought up Afganistan. As a New Yorker, you should know very well how people in Afganistan can affect your way of life in this country. Would you rather spend less taxes so that an Army of idiots can attack your city again? Iraq... different story that should have not been told. ...another blemish in America's history. Afganistan though, is a hotbed for people making efforts to destroy your right to be a programmed robot.
BTW, what is your native country?
Oh, and I protest every day for my right to not wear a seatbelt!
Super VXer
Catch you doing what?
Slow down from what?
Well having once been picked out of a group of cars all doing the same speed, and ticketed (I believe) because of the type of car I happened to be driving at the time, I would agree with you there in part. But as unjust as I found that particular instance, it still didn't change the fact that all of the cars in said group were in actuality speeding at the time. So while I was left to ponder why it had been me specifically the officer had chosen to single out of the group and ticket, I still had no one to blame but myself for speeding in the first place.
Super VXer
Whether I got off or was speeding if you allow machines to secretly tape or record it is a violation of my rights. And obeying every law because some idiot convinced a buch idiots to vote for them is wrong. How about the next step HOAs that tax you and fine you because your house is the wrong color white? I owned the place prior to the HOA but because others built around me and voted for an HOA I had to obey their rules and the govt enforces it.
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I'm pretty sure Gussie's said in the past & his profile says he's from Venezuela.
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That explains the accent! :P
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