Bitten by a Camera

[Gussie2000]

Please correct me if I'm wrong and misreading this, but are you saying that even though you are aware of the rules of the road in your state(s) (seatbelts, and operating a commercial vehicle on a parkway), you simply chose to disregard them, and rather than obeying those rules (which to me personally seem inconsequential enough) and owning up to the choices you made, find it easier in the long-run to try to play the system to try to have the ticket dismissed because of technicalities - resulting in the waste of officials time and taxpayer dollars in the process?

And some are so quick to place blame and wonder about the causes of the inefficiency of govenrment...

Don't get me wrong, if you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your choice, and so is disregarding state law (and company policy?) by driving a vehicle where you shouldn't be, but if you're going to do that, causing tax dollars to be wasted in the process, I would like to suggest that we here at VehiCross.info had better just never hear you complaining about the condition of the roads or any increases in taxes in your area.

Sorry dude.

But for the amount of taxes i pay as a single male with no kids claiming 0 on my w2 form i don;t see why i shouln't get that taxes working for me once in a while...

The NYPD here has some sort of grudge against security officers,months ago one of our security officer was ticketed because his patrol squad had a blown daylight bulb,all the PO had to do is to warn the security officer about the issue,instead he wrote the ticket just to show the security officer that he's the good guy;It's obvious that the squad is not belongs to the S/O & the blown bulb could easely blow away while on duty.
Then the company had a hearing requested,the general supervisor ( former LAPD ) who went to court with the ticketed S/O for the hearing saw the same PO talking on the cellphone days after he issued the ticket & took a video with the security squad's recording device.

That day at the court house the general supervisor showed the jugde the video,then the general supervisor asked the P.O " Wearing a NYPD badge while talking on your phone with the squad in motion makes you a safer driver then my security officer with a blown headlight bulb ,isn't?....................following that the ticket was dismissed inmediately because of the P.O action the ticket was morally meanless.

Here in NYC ALL drivers,( please read again ) ALL drivers,including PD's commits traffic violations,you can caught them eaten their dunky donuts bagel with egg & cheese & drinking coffee with the squad while doing U turns,,talking on their cellphones,with blown head lights bulbs & even with the head lights completely OFF,with broken tail or signal lights.

That situation is common here so your judgement about me violating traffic laws does mean that much to me.

A matter of fact me driving on a parkway with CDL tags isn't life treatening situation,plus i wasn't aware before handing the PO the registation that the squad i was driving that day had NJ CDL tags.

Another fact that this PO forgets is that the job the security officers does helps a lot of situations & incidents from happening that could easly ended up in tragedy & taxes my friend doesn't pay for that

Many security officers have been killed doing they job ( do you remember the jew holocaust museum in washington,DC where a security officer were killed )

Even though security officers aren't law enforcement officials we basically does the same job a PD does,which is to protect & serve.Whenever you walk into your bank to do business & there's a S/O looking after you remember he may give his own life to protect your from being hurt & your taxes doesn't pay for that.

And as for the bumpy streets here in NYC let me share a tip with you.To cross over the george washington brigde cost $ 8.00,to cross the verrazano bridge cost $ 11.00,the holland tunnel cost you $ 6.50,to cross the whitestone bridge cost $5.50,to crossover the triboro bridge cost $5.50 And if you drive on any of those bridges you will encounter the worst bumps in the whole of NYC.

Only in NYC you can find bumps intentionally placed on highways & expressways to slow down drivers

Enough for today.

[pbkid]

i personally think its a load of crap, the traffic lights...


in this nation we are supposed to be able to 'face our accuser', but its awful hard to face a camera. obviously it captures the truth and thats why it hasnt been challenged, but i guess i just think it isnt fair.

[Gussie2000]

i personally think its a load of crap, the traffic lights...


in this nation we are supposed to be able to 'face our accuser', but its awful hard to face a camera. obviously it captures the truth and thats why it hasnt been challenged, but i guess i just think it isnt fair.

Here in NYC there's a very busy place called queens boulevard which host a good bunch of those traffic cameras.the traffic lights at those camera locations change as fast a blink of a eye,because of the poor behavior behind the wheel of almost every NYC driver the cameras can be seen working at full thrust,flashing like they were going bananas.
My brother-in-law to be was once caught around 5:30 am on his pathfinder after dropping my sister to work.i sincerely laught at him after looking at the traffic violation letter notice mailed to him two weeks after with a pic of the camera shoot taken that day.

The shoot was pretty clean & smooth,he was the only car during the moment the camera got him.

He got somehow pissed at me when i told him : greg,that shoot seems to be taken by a professional paparazzi for a magazine........you look very sharp LOL

[Anita]

Got caught by one of those laser guns by a motorcycle office sitting in a private resident's driveway, behind a tree. Doesnt matter that I was going with the flow of traffic. I was just the happy license plate that he aimed at.

This means war. I downloaded Trapster (trapster.com) to my iphone and i report the location of every permanent traffic camera, mobile camera, every officer in hiding, every car pulled over. And in return I get a warning vocal signal on my iphone for every reported trap. So far it works amazingly well.

I will be the champion of knowing where the men and women in blue are.

[psychos2]

If you obey the laws you will not get tickets. If you do not obey the laws and get a ticket I do not feel sorry for you. If I am speeding and get a ticket it is my fault and I take responsibility for my actions , it is part of being an adult. If my light is out and I get a ticket it is my fault not the cops. I hate to here people complain that they broke the law and should not have gotten a ticket. What did you think was going to happen. shawn

[circmand]

If you obey the laws you will not get tickets. If you do not obey the laws and get a ticket I do not feel sorry for you. If I am speeding and get a ticket it is my fault and I take responsibility for my actions , it is part of being an adult. If my light is out and I get a ticket it is my fault not the cops. I hate to here people complain that they broke the law and should not have gotten a ticket. What did you think was going to happen. shawn

The cop pulls you over if you are a sweet young thing and cry a bit you get a warning, if you have a cool car you can get a warning (happened to me) If the cop has a bad day you do not get a warning. Lets not pretend the justice system is any way just or fair.

[psychos2]

The cop pulls you over if you are a sweet young thing and cry a bit you get a warning, if you have a cool car you can get a warning (happened to me) If the cop has a bad day you do not get a warning. Lets not pretend the justice system is any way just or fair.

No you are wrong. What I said had nothing to do with if you were pretty or not. I said "If you obey the laws you will not get tickets." WHICH IS TRUE.I also said " If you do not obey the laws and get a ticket I do not feel sorry for you." WHICH IS ALSO TRUE. And I also said " If I am speeding and get a ticket it is my fault and I take responsibility for my actions , it is part of being an adult." WHICH IS ALSO TRUE. And I also said" If my light is out and I get a ticket it is my fault not the cops." TRUE AGAIN. And finally I said"I hate to here people complain that they broke the law and should not have gotten a ticket. What did you think was going to happen." ALSO TRUE. So I did not make one false statement. Which is also true. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. shawn

[nfpgasmask]

i personally think its a load of crap, the traffic lights...

in this nation we are supposed to be able to 'face our accuser', but its awful hard to face a camera. obviously it captures the truth and thats why it hasnt been challenged, but i guess i just think it isnt fair.

I agree, but I don't think it is a question of fairness. It's just the whole "big brother is watching" thing to me. Sooner or later, the government will be watching EVERYTHING you do. We'll be lucky if we can still maintain privacy in our own homes.

Bart

[Y33TREKker]

Sorry dude.

But for the amount of taxes i pay as a single male with no kids claiming 0 on my w2 form i don;t see why i shouln't get that taxes working for me once in a while...

All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.

But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?

Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...

[circmand]

All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.

But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?

Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...

But between 28% federal tax on my income, 7% sales tax on what I spend plus sin tax on cigarettes and and alchohol, plus state tax, city tax, home owners tax, school tax (no kids) I figure over 50% of what I make goes straight to the gvt. Add to that the bottom 20% income earners pay no federal tax, get welfare, get food stamps, etc I am more than paying for much more than I am getting and they are paying far less than they are recieving. The great traffic camers grab is just another step in the government trying to get more money to give away to special interests or to get votes to stay in power. To argue that the law ids the law and we should follow it no matter what is the same idea that keeps Cubans under Castro and Russians under the CZARs. We would still be subjects under British rule if we blindly stumbled around accepting what other people tell us we should do for our own good. The Gvmt is already trying to control what cars we should drive and is attempting to control what health care we should receive. Frankly given that the retards we have in govt. have yet to create a program that actually works I do not think we should blindly follow them. And do not try to argue that I should vote against the people in the next election. Given my one vote versus the votes millions of morons who are so stupid they believe the politician who tells them he/she is going to make things better.

[Y33TREKker]

But between 28% federal tax on my income....

If you're going to seriously try to equate the laws being discussed in this thread (traffic laws specifically) and the consequences of not obeying them (cash penalties) with the potential consequences of not accepting and following the laws set forth by dictators and imperial rule in various foreign countries (past and present), I'm not sure where the discussion can really go from here.

And besides, before we get too far off topic by starting to place that blame I mentioned earlier, the camera issue still boils down to the simple fact that if you don't want a fine sent to you from one of them, don't give it a reason to take your picture in the first place.

As for all the rest, I'm not sure what good trying to nitpick what I say here is going to do. If you're that unhappy with the way things are, I suppose I'd just suggest writing your local congressman of choice and telling HIM what you think. That too is a matter of choice. You can choose to be one of two things, active, or re-active.

[Gussie2000]

The problem in this country is that the goverment keeps passing bills that keeps squeezing your way of life more & more.

You become are robot programmed just to wake up,take a shower,have breakfast,head out to work,make the money to fullfill the billionaire deficit gap & get your ***** back home without complaining if your paycheck is enough to put a plate of food over your table when the day is over.

In the name of national security your conversations & movements are under scrutiny every second,Here in NYC your are recorded about 300 times a day where ever you go.

Police men killed a young man by mistake sitting inside his car with more then 50 bullets without the guy ever been armed,the young man celebrating with friends his wedding the following day at a club that was under investigation for drug trades & the PD's were all released of all charges,How that young man familly could ever believe in justice again in a country where we all believe was build on justice for all regardless of what.

Sometimes people ask me why is it in my native country people are all against the goverment & every day they protesting throwing stones at police,burning tires & marching all the time;My answer : because they believe in justice & they'll fight & dye for it.My question to you is when last you protested for your rights ?

Goverment protects its officials when they do mistakes,but you will be well punished if you happens to make one.
Here we don't even try to make the goverment rectify their mistakes,we just swallow what ever they think is right for us even though we don't approve it or neither need none of it because we all too busy living the american dream.

I'm not trying to justify my wrong actions as driver,but there's no such as perfect driver anyhow,but if you as a law enforcement official are commiting the same infractions as well as me you shouldn't be wearing a uniform at all.

And how our taxes can be better spent i think afganistan & iraq is the best way to show you how good they all spending our taxes.
While 40 millions of people here in the US are all out of health insurance coverage we all saw US chief commander in afganistan asking for more troops ( and more taxes to be spend ) to protect afganistan citizens.That is how you believe your taxes should be spent ? I trully don't think my taxes should go to afganistan,iraq o any where but right here.


I believe in justice as the better path to provide peace,but only when is honestly applied.


It's time for bed

[Y33TREKker]

The problem in this country is...

I'm fairly sure that no country is perfect, and that if you were to ask any resident of any current country, you'd get a confirmation of that opinion in some way or another.

Imagining the worst as the reason for traffic cameras is just one way to look at it though. It could also be imagined that the reason for needing additional traffic cameras is because more and more people are adopting the philosophy that it's not necessary to follow the rules of the road because they think no one else does either.

As far as the subject of traffic cameras goes though, I'd think by now that all of us as VX drivers would be well used to having our driving habits routinely scrutinized by everyone within viewing distance anyway, and not wanting to defame the mystique of the VX for all other owners, would have started driving accordingly since taking ownership.

[ZEUS]

Gus, I was with you most the way until you brought up Afganistan. As a New Yorker, you should know very well how people in Afganistan can affect your way of life in this country. Would you rather spend less taxes so that an Army of idiots can attack your city again? Iraq... different story that should have not been told. ...another blemish in America's history. Afganistan though, is a hotbed for people making efforts to destroy your right to be a programmed robot.

BTW, what is your native country?

Oh, and I protest every day for my right to not wear a seatbelt!

The problem in this country is that the goverment keeps passing bills that keeps squeezing your way of life more & more.

You become are robot programmed just to wake up,take a shower,have breakfast,head out to work,make the money to fullfill the billionaire deficit gap & get your ***** back home without complaining if your paycheck is enough to put a plate of food over your table when the day is over.

In the name of national security your conversations & movements are under scrutiny every second,Here in NYC your are recorded about 300 times a day where ever you go.

Police men killed a young man by mistake sitting inside his car with more then 50 bullets without the guy ever been armed,the young man celebrating with friends his wedding the following day at a club that was under investigation for drug trades & the PD's were all released of all charges,How that young man familly could ever believe in justice again in a country where we all believe was build on justice for all regardless of what.

Sometimes people ask me why is it in my native country people are all against the goverment & every day they protesting throwing stones at police,burning tires & marching all the time;My answer : because they believe in justice & they'll fight & dye for it.My question to you is when last you protested for your rights ?

Goverment protects its officials when they do mistakes,but you will be well punished if you happens to make one.
Here we don't even try to make the goverment rectify their mistakes,we just swallow what ever they think is right for us even though we don't approve it or neither need none of it because we all too busy living the american dream.

I'm not trying to justify my wrong actions as driver,but there's no such as perfect driver anyhow,but if you as a law enforcement official are commiting the same infractions as well as me you shouldn't be wearing a uniform at all.

And how our taxes can be better spent i think afganistan & iraq is the best way to show you how good they all spending our taxes.
While 40 millions of people here in the US are all out of health insurance coverage we all saw US chief commander in afganistan asking for more troops ( and more taxes to be spend ) to protect afganistan citizens.That is how you believe your taxes should be spent ? I trully don't think my taxes should go to afganistan,iraq o any where but right here.


I believe in justice as the better path to provide peace,but only when is honestly applied.


It's time for bed

[VX KAT]

Gus, BTW, what is your native country?
)

I'm pretty sure Gussie's said in the past & his profile says he's from Venezuela.