Bitten by a Camera

[Gussie2000]

The unmanned photo radar sites have just taken off in AZ this past 2 yrs...some dude in Phoenix wears a giraffe or other animal costume as he zooms through them....can't give him a ticket 'cuz the pic taken can't prove it was him. He was on the news about 2 weeks ago all but admitting it's him...has racked up like 90 violations according to the police. Also there's been publicity about one particular judge in Phoenix who routinely throws out the violations...can't recall the legal theory he cites but everybody loves that judge!

Hubby (Mr. Councilman now, dontcha know!) was talking to our town's magistrate/judge this week....she says it's highly likely it's going to end up on the state's ballot....so these things will hopefully be voted out of use!

I have mixed feelings....I've had my share of speeding tickets and, like, Chopper, I was guilty, but these automated ones are just cash cows and the towns need money....I see both sides of the issue.

Tickets are unevitable as long as we drive a vehicule,intentionally or no we always fail to obey the traffic laws.

I got one a by this rookie PO who issue a non-seat belt while i was exiting a parkway here in NYC.the problem the PO face is that he saw me without the seat belt @ a stop sign,waiting for the vehicule ahead to move which means my vehicule wasn't in motion at the time so there's no possible traffic moving violation if vehicule weren't in motion,plus he mispell my last name on the ticket & because all oficial paperwork must not show any sort of mistakes the judge is more likely to dismiss it.

He also missed the fact the here in NYC vehicules with commercial tags ( i was driving my company's patrol with NJ CDL tags ) aren't allowed to be on parkways at all.

[Y33TREKker]

Tickets are unevitable as long as we drive a vehicule,intentionally or no we always fail to obey the traffic laws.

I got one a by this rookie PO who issue a non-seat belt while i was exiting a parkway here in NYC.the problem the PO face is that he saw me without the seat belt @ a stop sign,waiting for the vehicule ahead to move which means my vehicule wasn't in motion at the time so there's no possible traffic moving violation if vehicule weren't in motion,plus he mispell my last name on the ticket & because all oficial paperwork must not show any sort of mistakes the judge is more likely to dismiss it.

He also missed the fact the here in NYC vehicules with commercial tags ( i was driving my company's patrol with NJ CDL tags ) aren't allowed to be on parkways at all.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and misreading this, but are you saying that even though you are aware of the rules of the road in your state(s) (seatbelts, and operating a commercial vehicle on a parkway), you simply chose to disregard them, and rather than obeying those rules (which to me personally seem inconsequential enough) and owning up to the choices you made, find it easier in the long-run to try to play the system to try to have the ticket dismissed because of technicalities - resulting in the waste of officials time and taxpayer dollars in the process?

And some are so quick to place blame and wonder about the causes of the inefficiency of govenrment...

Don't get me wrong, if you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your choice, and so is disregarding state law (and company policy?) by driving a vehicle where you shouldn't be, but if you're going to do that, causing tax dollars to be wasted in the process, I would like to suggest that we here at VehiCross.info had better just never hear you complaining about the condition of the roads or any increases in taxes in your area.

[rowhard]

Please correct me if I'm wrong and misreading this, but are you saying that even though you are aware of the rules of the road in your state(s) (seatbelts, and operating a commercial vehicle on a parkway), you simply chose to disregard them, and rather than obeying those rules (which to me personally seem inconsequential enough) and owning up to the choices you made, find it easier in the long-run to try to play the system to try to have the ticket dismissed because of technicalities - resulting in the waste of officials time and taxpayer dollars in the process?

And some are so quick to place blame and wonder about the causes of the inefficiency of govenrment...

Don't get me wrong, if you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your choice, and so is disregarding state law (and company policy?) by driving a vehicle where you shouldn't be, but if you're going to do that, causing tax dollars to be wasted in the process, I would like to suggest that we here at VehiCross.info had better just never hear you complaining about the condition of the roads or any increases in taxes in your area.

hear hear

[circmand]

why should i wear a seatbelt but a motor cyle rider does not need a helmet. What does the height of handle bars have to do with operating a motorcycle, Why is the owner responsible for a photo violation if they cannot prove who was operating.

Post your favorite stupid law here.

[nfpgasmask]

Yup, I got snagged in Chicago once back in 05. If you have ever been to Chicago then you know the yellow lights last about 1 second. It's freakin' BS. Pretty soon the whole damn country is gonna be like that. We might as well drive go carts.

Bart

[psychos2]

Please correct me if I'm wrong and misreading this, but are you saying that even though you are aware of the rules of the road in your state(s) (seatbelts, and operating a commercial vehicle on a parkway), you simply chose to disregard them, and rather than obeying those rules (which to me personally seem inconsequential enough) and owning up to the choices you made, find it easier in the long-run to try to play the system to try to have the ticket dismissed because of technicalities - resulting in the waste of officials time and taxpayer dollars in the process?

And some are so quick to place blame and wonder about the causes of the inefficiency of govenrment...

Don't get me wrong, if you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your choice, and so is disregarding state law (and company policy?) by driving a vehicle where you shouldn't be, but if you're going to do that, causing tax dollars to be wasted in the process, I would like to suggest that we here at VehiCross.info had better just never hear you complaining about the condition of the roads or any increases in taxes in your area.

I agree ,I third that. shawn

[Gussie2000]

Please correct me if I'm wrong and misreading this, but are you saying that even though you are aware of the rules of the road in your state(s) (seatbelts, and operating a commercial vehicle on a parkway), you simply chose to disregard them, and rather than obeying those rules (which to me personally seem inconsequential enough) and owning up to the choices you made, find it easier in the long-run to try to play the system to try to have the ticket dismissed because of technicalities - resulting in the waste of officials time and taxpayer dollars in the process?

And some are so quick to place blame and wonder about the causes of the inefficiency of govenrment...

Don't get me wrong, if you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your choice, and so is disregarding state law (and company policy?) by driving a vehicle where you shouldn't be, but if you're going to do that, causing tax dollars to be wasted in the process, I would like to suggest that we here at VehiCross.info had better just never hear you complaining about the condition of the roads or any increases in taxes in your area.

Sorry dude.

But for the amount of taxes i pay as a single male with no kids claiming 0 on my w2 form i don;t see why i shouln't get that taxes working for me once in a while...

The NYPD here has some sort of grudge against security officers,months ago one of our security officer was ticketed because his patrol squad had a blown daylight bulb,all the PO had to do is to warn the security officer about the issue,instead he wrote the ticket just to show the security officer that he's the good guy;It's obvious that the squad is not belongs to the S/O & the blown bulb could easely blow away while on duty.
Then the company had a hearing requested,the general supervisor ( former LAPD ) who went to court with the ticketed S/O for the hearing saw the same PO talking on the cellphone days after he issued the ticket & took a video with the security squad's recording device.

That day at the court house the general supervisor showed the jugde the video,then the general supervisor asked the P.O " Wearing a NYPD badge while talking on your phone with the squad in motion makes you a safer driver then my security officer with a blown headlight bulb ,isn't?....................following that the ticket was dismissed inmediately because of the P.O action the ticket was morally meanless.

Here in NYC ALL drivers,( please read again ) ALL drivers,including PD's commits traffic violations,you can caught them eaten their dunky donuts bagel with egg & cheese & drinking coffee with the squad while doing U turns,,talking on their cellphones,with blown head lights bulbs & even with the head lights completely OFF,with broken tail or signal lights.

That situation is common here so your judgement about me violating traffic laws does mean that much to me.

A matter of fact me driving on a parkway with CDL tags isn't life treatening situation,plus i wasn't aware before handing the PO the registation that the squad i was driving that day had NJ CDL tags.

Another fact that this PO forgets is that the job the security officers does helps a lot of situations & incidents from happening that could easly ended up in tragedy & taxes my friend doesn't pay for that

Many security officers have been killed doing they job ( do you remember the jew holocaust museum in washington,DC where a security officer were killed )

Even though security officers aren't law enforcement officials we basically does the same job a PD does,which is to protect & serve.Whenever you walk into your bank to do business & there's a S/O looking after you remember he may give his own life to protect your from being hurt & your taxes doesn't pay for that.

And as for the bumpy streets here in NYC let me share a tip with you.To cross over the george washington brigde cost $ 8.00,to cross the verrazano bridge cost $ 11.00,the holland tunnel cost you $ 6.50,to cross the whitestone bridge cost $5.50,to crossover the triboro bridge cost $5.50 And if you drive on any of those bridges you will encounter the worst bumps in the whole of NYC.

Only in NYC you can find bumps intentionally placed on highways & expressways to slow down drivers

Enough for today.

[pbkid]

i personally think its a load of crap, the traffic lights...


in this nation we are supposed to be able to 'face our accuser', but its awful hard to face a camera. obviously it captures the truth and thats why it hasnt been challenged, but i guess i just think it isnt fair.

[Gussie2000]

i personally think its a load of crap, the traffic lights...


in this nation we are supposed to be able to 'face our accuser', but its awful hard to face a camera. obviously it captures the truth and thats why it hasnt been challenged, but i guess i just think it isnt fair.

Here in NYC there's a very busy place called queens boulevard which host a good bunch of those traffic cameras.the traffic lights at those camera locations change as fast a blink of a eye,because of the poor behavior behind the wheel of almost every NYC driver the cameras can be seen working at full thrust,flashing like they were going bananas.
My brother-in-law to be was once caught around 5:30 am on his pathfinder after dropping my sister to work.i sincerely laught at him after looking at the traffic violation letter notice mailed to him two weeks after with a pic of the camera shoot taken that day.

The shoot was pretty clean & smooth,he was the only car during the moment the camera got him.

He got somehow pissed at me when i told him : greg,that shoot seems to be taken by a professional paparazzi for a magazine........you look very sharp LOL

[Anita]

Got caught by one of those laser guns by a motorcycle office sitting in a private resident's driveway, behind a tree. Doesnt matter that I was going with the flow of traffic. I was just the happy license plate that he aimed at.

This means war. I downloaded Trapster (trapster.com) to my iphone and i report the location of every permanent traffic camera, mobile camera, every officer in hiding, every car pulled over. And in return I get a warning vocal signal on my iphone for every reported trap. So far it works amazingly well.

I will be the champion of knowing where the men and women in blue are.

[psychos2]

If you obey the laws you will not get tickets. If you do not obey the laws and get a ticket I do not feel sorry for you. If I am speeding and get a ticket it is my fault and I take responsibility for my actions , it is part of being an adult. If my light is out and I get a ticket it is my fault not the cops. I hate to here people complain that they broke the law and should not have gotten a ticket. What did you think was going to happen. shawn

[nfpgasmask]

i personally think its a load of crap, the traffic lights...

in this nation we are supposed to be able to 'face our accuser', but its awful hard to face a camera. obviously it captures the truth and thats why it hasnt been challenged, but i guess i just think it isnt fair.

I agree, but I don't think it is a question of fairness. It's just the whole "big brother is watching" thing to me. Sooner or later, the government will be watching EVERYTHING you do. We'll be lucky if we can still maintain privacy in our own homes.

Bart

[Y33TREKker]

Sorry dude.

But for the amount of taxes i pay as a single male with no kids claiming 0 on my w2 form i don;t see why i shouln't get that taxes working for me once in a while...

All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.

But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?

Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...

[circmand]

All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.

But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?

Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...

But between 28% federal tax on my income, 7% sales tax on what I spend plus sin tax on cigarettes and and alchohol, plus state tax, city tax, home owners tax, school tax (no kids) I figure over 50% of what I make goes straight to the gvt. Add to that the bottom 20% income earners pay no federal tax, get welfare, get food stamps, etc I am more than paying for much more than I am getting and they are paying far less than they are recieving. The great traffic camers grab is just another step in the government trying to get more money to give away to special interests or to get votes to stay in power. To argue that the law ids the law and we should follow it no matter what is the same idea that keeps Cubans under Castro and Russians under the CZARs. We would still be subjects under British rule if we blindly stumbled around accepting what other people tell us we should do for our own good. The Gvmt is already trying to control what cars we should drive and is attempting to control what health care we should receive. Frankly given that the retards we have in govt. have yet to create a program that actually works I do not think we should blindly follow them. And do not try to argue that I should vote against the people in the next election. Given my one vote versus the votes millions of morons who are so stupid they believe the politician who tells them he/she is going to make things better.

[Y33TREKker]

But between 28% federal tax on my income....

If you're going to seriously try to equate the laws being discussed in this thread (traffic laws specifically) and the consequences of not obeying them (cash penalties) with the potential consequences of not accepting and following the laws set forth by dictators and imperial rule in various foreign countries (past and present), I'm not sure where the discussion can really go from here.

And besides, before we get too far off topic by starting to place that blame I mentioned earlier, the camera issue still boils down to the simple fact that if you don't want a fine sent to you from one of them, don't give it a reason to take your picture in the first place.

As for all the rest, I'm not sure what good trying to nitpick what I say here is going to do. If you're that unhappy with the way things are, I suppose I'd just suggest writing your local congressman of choice and telling HIM what you think. That too is a matter of choice. You can choose to be one of two things, active, or re-active.