Bitten by a Camera

[circmand]

ummmmm........... ya... thats kinda how it works.

thats EXACTLY what your supposed to do... obey them...



ugh. ya.... agreed...

But their authority does not exceed your rights. The right to remain silent yet they are belligerent and do not respect ones rights. Free speech they yell and scream and when people get upset they say you were uncooperative, yet it is natural to yell back. tell people who are just talking to shut up, abuse them and call them names. And have you ever seen when they bust someone and tell them to get down. The normal way to get down is *** first then roll over. no they do not allow that they pull the persons arms behind them and the fling them face first to the pavement. You see this all the time on cops and other cop reality shows.

[psychos2]

But their authority does not exceed your rights. The right to remain silent yet they are belligerent and do not respect ones rights. Free speech they yell and scream and when people get upset they say you were uncooperative, yet it is natural to yell back. tell people who are just talking to shut up, abuse them and call them names. And have you ever seen when they bust someone and tell them to get down. The normal way to get down is *** first then roll over. no they do not allow that they pull the persons arms behind them and the fling them face first to the pavement. You see this all the time on cops and other cop reality shows.

It sounds like you make it worse. And as far as watching what they do on cops, what do you expect after they do not cooperate and the cops had to chase them on foot for ten blocks. Or they were just in a high speed chase because they are stupid and think they can flee and escape. If you try to run then you are going to get treated differently. I am not saying all cops are fair and honest, but you make it worse by not cooperating. shawn

[circmand]

It sounds like you make it worse. And as far as watching what they do on cops, what do you expect after they do not cooperate and the cops had to chase them on foot for ten blocks. Or they were just in a high speed chase because they are stupid and think they can flee and escape. If you try to run then you are going to get treated differently. I am not saying all cops are fair and honest, but you make it worse by not cooperating. shawn

Is for the to behave responsibily. But you make my point, they make some fat *** cop run 10 blocks and they have no problem beating the guy up and we ordinary citizens are supposed to accept that. What is all the training for? The ones I have seen lately the people are not even running it was an undercover drug sting over a nickle bag. They bust down the door yelling at the top of their lungs to get down the guy starts sitting down but this is not enough for the dozen heavily armed cops with bullet proof vests and automatic weapons against a guy weighing 120 pounds who is not armed they pull him up from sitting down and slam him face first into the floor. Videos have shown this one cop strangling an EMT on the scene for helping an accident victim and yelling athim. Other cops have to pull him off yet the police union is fighting for his right to stay a cop. Lets also consider the hundreds of millions of dollars the city of LA has to pay each year for cops abusing their authority. Hey anybody remember Rodney King. Or how about the 50s and 60s when cops were often paid to violently break up civil protests against unions and civil rights. If no one had stood up for the cops we would still have blacks being 2nd class citizens and have very few rights in the work place. Do not confuse the real life cops with what they are supposed to be.

[Y33TREKker]

Is for the to behave responsibily...

First I should say that I'm proceeding on the assumption that you meant "them", meaning the police or any other security personnel being referred to.

As far as that goes though, we have to remember the steps in which things occur. You ask that security and law enforcement behave responsibly, but a person would never have to worry about "them" behaving responsibly if the person had been behaving responsibly himself in the first place. If that person had been behaving responsibly, they probably wouldn't have encountered the police, etc. to begin with.

If you are going to keep conveniently leaving out the fact that a person having an encounter with a member of any sort of law enforcement in most cases (not all, but most) probably meant that that person was doing something they shouldn't have been doing, then you are back to promoting the idea that it's ok to simply place blame elsewhere instead of admitting personal fault, and accepting responsibility for your own actions and choices.

And while admittedly some of the incidents you've sited sound as if law enforcement in those cases over-reacted, how can anyone reading the examples you provide reach an objective conclusion to those examples without knowing the full context of each situation? Like psychos2 said, no one is saying that all cops are fair and honest, but to assume that all cops are all bad isn't fair or honest either.

How we keep getting from traffic cameras to subjects like this is still a puzzle though.

[Y33TREKker]

Now there's a leap of logic that doesn't translate to the real world. I see it alla time ... peeps driving at or below the speed limit still slow down when they see the POPO.

Well you'd have to ask each person who slows down because a police car is present and they aren't speeding their reasons for doing so, because the logic behind that escapes me too.

But speaking of translating to the real world, whether you are in a 35 or a 65 mph zone, how often nowadays do you actually find yourself and your peeps driving at or below the speed limit?

[pbkid]

really circ? you believe everything you see on 'cops'?? do you really think they give you the whole story?
yes, there are time when cops use excessive force and times when they have used it incorrectly.

but its the other side of the story that the news/'cops' doesnt tell you.

ive seen video's in class where the professor will show you: a cop being shot at, then being hit with a baseball hat, then the guy spitting in his face while he talks to him, then the guy kicks the cop in the nuts and takes off running... then the video switches to the same foot chase on 'cops' where the officer finally catches him and throws him down face first and arrests him. so what YOU see is the cop being 'excessive' but really he was using equal, or LESS force than the guy being chased. so people like you get all fired up because his chief is protecting him. get the whole story before you take sides my friend.

you really expect a cop to go to a heavily armed drug dealers house and knock on the door and ask them nicely to please stop what they are doing? thats rediculous! there is EXTENSIVE research done on a situation long before they go kicking in doors. if a team of officers are kicking in a door with bullet proof vests on, there is a damn good reason! drug dealers houses are booby trapped, trip-wired for bombs.... come on man! be realistic.

i had a longer more in-depth version but the site booted me before i could post it

the reason these guys are kicking in doors with bullet-proof vests on is to protect their LIVES! these are the people the work day in and day out to protect your right to walk down the street, and to criticize them.

[psychos2]

First I should say that I'm proceeding on the assumption that you meant "them", meaning the police or any other security personnel being referred to.

As far as that goes though, we have to remember the steps in which things occur. You ask that security and law enforcement behave responsibly, but a person would never have to worry about "them" behaving responsibly if the person had been behaving responsibly himself in the first place. If that person had been behaving responsibly, they probably wouldn't have encountered the police, etc. to begin with.

If you are going to keep conveniently leaving out the fact that a person having an encounter with a member of any sort of law enforcement in most cases (not all, but most) probably meant that that person was doing something they shouldn't have been doing, then you are back to promoting the idea that it's ok to simply place blame elsewhere instead of admitting personal fault, and accepting responsibility for your own actions and choices.

And while admittedly some of the incidents you've sited sound as if law enforcement in those cases over-reacted, how can anyone reading the examples you provide reach an objective conclusion to those examples without knowing the full context of each situation? Like psychos2 said, no one is saying that all cops are fair and honest, but to assume that all cops are all bad isn't fair or honest either.

How we keep getting from traffic cameras to subjects like this is still a puzzle though.

X2 shawn

[psychos2]

really circ? you believe everything you see on 'cops'?? do you really think they give you the whole story?
yes, there are time when cops use excessive force and times when they have used it incorrectly.

but its the other side of the story that the news/'cops' doesnt tell you.

ive seen video's in class where the professor will show you: a cop being shot at, then being hit with a baseball hat, then the guy spitting in his face while he talks to him, then the guy kicks the cop in the nuts and takes off running... then the video switches to the same foot chase on 'cops' where the officer finally catches him and throws him down face first and arrests him. so what YOU see is the cop being 'excessive' but really he was using equal, or LESS force than the guy being chased. so people like you get all fired up because his chief is protecting him. get the whole story before you take sides my friend.

you really expect a cop to go to a heavily armed drug dealers house and knock on the door and ask them nicely to please stop what they are doing? thats rediculous! there is EXTENSIVE research done on a situation long before they go kicking in doors. if a team of officers are kicking in a door with bullet proof vests on, there is a damn good reason! drug dealers houses are booby trapped, trip-wired for bombs.... come on man! be realistic.

i had a longer more in-depth version but the site booted me before i could post it

the reason these guys are kicking in doors with bullet-proof vests on is to protect their LIVES! these are the people the work day in and day out to protect your right to walk down the street, and to criticize them.

X2 shawn

[psychos2]

Is for them to behave responsibily. But you make my point, they make some fat *** cop run 10 blocks and they have no problem beating the guy up and we ordinary citizens are supposed to accept that.

My answer would be YES the criminal deserved it. The reason they are being the way they are is because that ***hole just robbed a store or sold drugs to some 16 year old kid or they ran when the cop tried to stop them or they just raped someone or they have a warrant because they didn't appear in court last time they broke the law ETC ETC ETC. These people are supposed to have rights? I think they should have no rights. I think that states should be more like Texas. Or be like other countries , you steal from someone you get your hand chopped off. It all starts when you break the law ,It gets worse when you make it worse. Do you really think that a cop should not give you a ticket because all cops are bad? You should be able to break the law because___________ . Please fill in the blank because I am curious as to why. It is probably because the laws do not apply to you because everyone breaks them so if you get caught you should be let go. Or because you saw someone run tha stop sign yesterday so you should be able to because he didn't get caught so the cop should let you go.
shawn

[Gussie2000]

My answer would be YES the criminal deserved it. The reason they are being the way they are is because that ***hole just robbed a store or sold drugs to some 16 year old kid or they ran when the cop tried to stop them or they just raped someone or they have a warrant because they didn't appear in court last time they broke the law ETC ETC ETC. These people are supposed to have rights? I think they should have no rights. I think that states should be more like Texas. Or be like other countries , you steal from someone you get your hand chopped off. It all starts when you break the law ,It gets worse when you make it worse. Do you really think that a cop should not give you a ticket because all cops are bad? You should be able to break the law because___________ . Please fill in the blank because I am curious as to why. It is probably because the laws do not apply to you because everyone breaks them so if you get caught you should be let go. Or because you saw someone run tha stop sign yesterday so you should be able to because he didn't get caught so the cop should let you go.
shawn

Well,that sort of situations all are extreme.

I don't believe that a cop,because a robber tried to runaway should be beaten.I say so because when a cop beats a criminal the cop is also commiting a crime.

We all know that many criminals has commited horrible crimes,crimes that blows our imagination,1rst though is that the criminal should be punish by the most severe way,but again,there's when society cross the thin line between applying the law & justifying a horrible punishment that deep in our hearts we all knows it is not the right way to go.

I personally don't justify the fact that if a citizen runs thru stop sign you also go ahead & do it.

Not because another driver gets away without been caught running a traffic light you should go ahead & run it too.

But it's not acceptable under any circunstances that a cop,because he represents the law shall go ahead & kill by rage,lack of common sense during a police action or believes he can get away from wrong proceedures because the union's there to support him,the union's job is not to dismiss any PO wrongfully action.

A guy that runs away from the cops & then surrenders should not be treated the way how many times police officers does which is to have a whole precint dropping their heavy bodies over one single guy like trainning for a football match because the guy decided to run,it's wrong & looks pretty awfull.

Here in NYC a guy with mental issues was actually killed by teasing gun while he was walking over the edge of a roof & felt because the police officers that responded to the call didn't had enough pacience to deal with the guy in that particular situation.
In many ocasion PO's shows how vulnerable they are as human beings,they reacts as one & perfom as one when they can't gain quick control of situations.

However we all should thank those police officers that gives their life to protect & serve,they deserve our respect & gratitude,I can remember few weeks ago there was a broke traffic light @ a very busy intersection,the young police officer controling the traffic flow was standing there in the middle of the road pounded by the 93 degrees of humid summer heat;I was heading to the supermarket to have grab a quick lunch & remember him,i took an extra $ 1,25 out of my pocket & bought a bottle of water,when i approached the intercection where this officer was i told him: officer,wanna share this with you.

The officer was suprised,but showed me his "Thank you" gesture with a shy smile,then saw my uniform & gave me a thumb up.Now,whenever we catch up on the streets he briefly turns on the strobe lights & two honks to say hi.

I have meet great police officers during my job as a security supervisor & develope friendship with many of them.

[circmand]

really circ? you believe everything you see on 'cops'?? do you really think they give you the whole story?
yes, there are time when cops use excessive force and times when they have used it incorrectly.

but its the other side of the story that the news/'cops' doesnt tell you.

ive seen video's in class where the professor will show you: a cop being shot at, then being hit with a baseball hat, then the guy spitting in his face while he talks to him, then the guy kicks the cop in the nuts and takes off running... then the video switches to the same foot chase on 'cops' where the officer finally catches him and throws him down face first and arrests him. so what YOU see is the cop being 'excessive' but really he was using equal, or LESS force than the guy being chased. so people like you get all fired up because his chief is protecting him. get the whole story before you take sides my friend.

you really expect a cop to go to a heavily armed drug dealers house and knock on the door and ask them nicely to please stop what they are doing? thats rediculous! there is EXTENSIVE research done on a situation long before they go kicking in doors. if a team of officers are kicking in a door with bullet proof vests on, there is a damn good reason! drug dealers houses are booby trapped, trip-wired for bombs.... come on man! be realistic.

i had a longer more in-depth version but the site booted me before i could post it

the reason these guys are kicking in doors with bullet-proof vests on is to protect their LIVES! these are the people the work day in and day out to protect your right to walk down the street, and to criticize them.

what I see video taped and released with the permission of the cops. The cops allow the person to ride with tem and have final approval of everything taped before it is released. So when I see a dozen heavily armed cops in a hotel room and another cop luring one drug dealer in to an adjoining room and the dealer immediately giving up and yet the dozen cops attacking the crook yes the cops are nothing more than a more heavily armed gang that has the judge and attorney general on the payroll that lets them get away with breaking the law. Sure if the dealer has a gun the cops have a right to shoot and kill the dealer but when they shoot unarmed people or murder a groom on his wedding night and the guy had no gun but they pump 50 rounds into the guy. Yeah those cops are butchers and should be given the death penalty. When the shoot a 13 year old inthe back who is running away from them because they are too fat tooo run the unarmed 13 year old down yeah they should be arrested for murder, when peopel like OJ get off for murder because crooked cops plant evidence yeah they should be arrested for hindering prosecution. Why people think cops should be allowed to break the law just because they are cops is beyond me. In NY there is this guy who calls himself Johhny justice or some stupid name like that who goes out everyday and videotapes cops and city workers violating the lawand the city does nothing why should honest citiczens listen and respect these scumbags anymore than the criminals who are doing the exact same thing. Dont get me wrong if cops werent murdering innocent people taking bribes covering up for crimes I would support them 100% but that is not what is happening. Until the obese cops are fired for not being able to walk up stairs let alone do their jobs, until cops who murder innocent civilians are prosecuted instead of being let off to murder again, until cops arent getting paid a quarter million dollars a year to write traffic tickets while crime is happening rampant on our streets I will question allowing cops to have unfettered control over what they can do.

[pbkid]

until cops arent getting paid a quarter million dollars a year to write traffic tickets

HAHAHA, god that would be GREAT!!!

i would be more happy with my career choice if that was correct. try more like 30k a year....

clearly your the type of person who believes tabloids and everything they see on tv. so there is no way anyone is going to convince you differently because you blindly follow lies.

so, ill take T4B's approach....subside due to it not being worth the effort of argument.


but god, would you please find a way for me to make 250k just writing tickets?! please!!! i promise ill do anything you want for that price...ill never arrest any child rapist, serial murderer or drug lord...

[psychos2]

what I see video taped and released with the permission of the cops. The cops allow the person to ride with tem and have final approval of everything taped before it is released. So when I see a dozen heavily armed cops in a hotel room and another cop luring one drug dealer in to an adjoining room and the dealer immediately giving up and yet the dozen cops attacking the crook yes the cops are nothing more than a more heavily armed gang that has the judge and attorney general on the payroll that lets them get away with breaking the law. Sure if the dealer has a gun the cops have a right to shoot and kill the dealer but when they shoot unarmed people or murder a groom on his wedding night and the guy had no gun but they pump 50 rounds into the guy. Yeah those cops are butchers and should be given the death penalty. When the shoot a 13 year old inthe back who is running away from them because they are too fat tooo run the unarmed 13 year old down yeah they should be arrested for murder, when peopel like OJ get off for murder because crooked cops plant evidence yeah they should be arrested for hindering prosecution. Why people think cops should be allowed to break the law just because they are cops is beyond me. In NY there is this guy who calls himself Johhny justice or some stupid name like that who goes out everyday and videotapes cops and city workers violating the lawand the city does nothing why should honest citiczens listen and respect these scumbags anymore than the criminals who are doing the exact same thing. Dont get me wrong if cops werent murdering innocent people taking bribes covering up for crimes I would support them 100% but that is not what is happening. Until the obese cops are fired for not being able to walk up stairs let alone do their jobs, until cops who murder innocent civilians are prosecuted instead of being let off to murder again, until cops arent getting paid a quarter million dollars a year to write traffic tickets while crime is happening rampant on our streets I will question allowing cops to have unfettered control over what they can do.

We left out the innocent cops that get shot and killed everyday by criminals, who like you think the laws do not apply to them. And thats ok because all cops break the law and should be killed. You argue that citizens should not listen to these bad cops ,and then you say there is to much crime. The criminals do not listen to the cops that is why they are criminals. So YOU are the reason there is crime happening rampant in the street because you are telling the criminals not to obey the cops , and that is what they are doing. Bravo , you are the man. shawn

[JAMAS]

would have been better if it was also a radar detector....

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[circmand]

HAHAHA, god that would be GREAT!!!

i would be more happy with my career choice if that was correct. try more like 30k a year....

clearly your the type of person who believes tabloids and everything they see on tv. so there is no way anyone is going to convince you differently because you blindly follow lies.

so, ill take T4B's approach....subside due to it not being worth the effort of argument.


but god, would you please find a way for me to make 250k just writing tickets?! please!!! i promise ill do anything you want for that price...ill never arrest any child rapist, serial murderer or drug lord...

I read it in the Houston Chronicle and several are making that kind of money. They call each other to scenes so they all have to go to court and they make overtime sitting all day waiting to testify at time and half. This was a major situation on the front page photos of the cops who were commiting the fraud then letting them retire with their pension intact instead of going to jail.