Bitten by a Camera

[Y33TREKker]

Sorry dude.

But for the amount of taxes i pay as a single male with no kids claiming 0 on my w2 form i don;t see why i shouln't get that taxes working for me once in a while...

All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.

But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?

Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...

[circmand]

All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.

But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?

Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...

But between 28% federal tax on my income, 7% sales tax on what I spend plus sin tax on cigarettes and and alchohol, plus state tax, city tax, home owners tax, school tax (no kids) I figure over 50% of what I make goes straight to the gvt. Add to that the bottom 20% income earners pay no federal tax, get welfare, get food stamps, etc I am more than paying for much more than I am getting and they are paying far less than they are recieving. The great traffic camers grab is just another step in the government trying to get more money to give away to special interests or to get votes to stay in power. To argue that the law ids the law and we should follow it no matter what is the same idea that keeps Cubans under Castro and Russians under the CZARs. We would still be subjects under British rule if we blindly stumbled around accepting what other people tell us we should do for our own good. The Gvmt is already trying to control what cars we should drive and is attempting to control what health care we should receive. Frankly given that the retards we have in govt. have yet to create a program that actually works I do not think we should blindly follow them. And do not try to argue that I should vote against the people in the next election. Given my one vote versus the votes millions of morons who are so stupid they believe the politician who tells them he/she is going to make things better.

[Y33TREKker]

But between 28% federal tax on my income....

If you're going to seriously try to equate the laws being discussed in this thread (traffic laws specifically) and the consequences of not obeying them (cash penalties) with the potential consequences of not accepting and following the laws set forth by dictators and imperial rule in various foreign countries (past and present), I'm not sure where the discussion can really go from here.

And besides, before we get too far off topic by starting to place that blame I mentioned earlier, the camera issue still boils down to the simple fact that if you don't want a fine sent to you from one of them, don't give it a reason to take your picture in the first place.

As for all the rest, I'm not sure what good trying to nitpick what I say here is going to do. If you're that unhappy with the way things are, I suppose I'd just suggest writing your local congressman of choice and telling HIM what you think. That too is a matter of choice. You can choose to be one of two things, active, or re-active.

[Gussie2000]

The problem in this country is that the goverment keeps passing bills that keeps squeezing your way of life more & more.

You become are robot programmed just to wake up,take a shower,have breakfast,head out to work,make the money to fullfill the billionaire deficit gap & get your ***** back home without complaining if your paycheck is enough to put a plate of food over your table when the day is over.

In the name of national security your conversations & movements are under scrutiny every second,Here in NYC your are recorded about 300 times a day where ever you go.

Police men killed a young man by mistake sitting inside his car with more then 50 bullets without the guy ever been armed,the young man celebrating with friends his wedding the following day at a club that was under investigation for drug trades & the PD's were all released of all charges,How that young man familly could ever believe in justice again in a country where we all believe was build on justice for all regardless of what.

Sometimes people ask me why is it in my native country people are all against the goverment & every day they protesting throwing stones at police,burning tires & marching all the time;My answer : because they believe in justice & they'll fight & dye for it.My question to you is when last you protested for your rights ?

Goverment protects its officials when they do mistakes,but you will be well punished if you happens to make one.
Here we don't even try to make the goverment rectify their mistakes,we just swallow what ever they think is right for us even though we don't approve it or neither need none of it because we all too busy living the american dream.

I'm not trying to justify my wrong actions as driver,but there's no such as perfect driver anyhow,but if you as a law enforcement official are commiting the same infractions as well as me you shouldn't be wearing a uniform at all.

And how our taxes can be better spent i think afganistan & iraq is the best way to show you how good they all spending our taxes.
While 40 millions of people here in the US are all out of health insurance coverage we all saw US chief commander in afganistan asking for more troops ( and more taxes to be spend ) to protect afganistan citizens.That is how you believe your taxes should be spent ? I trully don't think my taxes should go to afganistan,iraq o any where but right here.


I believe in justice as the better path to provide peace,but only when is honestly applied.


It's time for bed

[Y33TREKker]

The problem in this country is...

I'm fairly sure that no country is perfect, and that if you were to ask any resident of any current country, you'd get a confirmation of that opinion in some way or another.

Imagining the worst as the reason for traffic cameras is just one way to look at it though. It could also be imagined that the reason for needing additional traffic cameras is because more and more people are adopting the philosophy that it's not necessary to follow the rules of the road because they think no one else does either.

As far as the subject of traffic cameras goes though, I'd think by now that all of us as VX drivers would be well used to having our driving habits routinely scrutinized by everyone within viewing distance anyway, and not wanting to defame the mystique of the VX for all other owners, would have started driving accordingly since taking ownership.

[ZEUS]

Gus, I was with you most the way until you brought up Afganistan. As a New Yorker, you should know very well how people in Afganistan can affect your way of life in this country. Would you rather spend less taxes so that an Army of idiots can attack your city again? Iraq... different story that should have not been told. ...another blemish in America's history. Afganistan though, is a hotbed for people making efforts to destroy your right to be a programmed robot.

BTW, what is your native country?

Oh, and I protest every day for my right to not wear a seatbelt!

The problem in this country is that the goverment keeps passing bills that keeps squeezing your way of life more & more.

You become are robot programmed just to wake up,take a shower,have breakfast,head out to work,make the money to fullfill the billionaire deficit gap & get your ***** back home without complaining if your paycheck is enough to put a plate of food over your table when the day is over.

In the name of national security your conversations & movements are under scrutiny every second,Here in NYC your are recorded about 300 times a day where ever you go.

Police men killed a young man by mistake sitting inside his car with more then 50 bullets without the guy ever been armed,the young man celebrating with friends his wedding the following day at a club that was under investigation for drug trades & the PD's were all released of all charges,How that young man familly could ever believe in justice again in a country where we all believe was build on justice for all regardless of what.

Sometimes people ask me why is it in my native country people are all against the goverment & every day they protesting throwing stones at police,burning tires & marching all the time;My answer : because they believe in justice & they'll fight & dye for it.My question to you is when last you protested for your rights ?

Goverment protects its officials when they do mistakes,but you will be well punished if you happens to make one.
Here we don't even try to make the goverment rectify their mistakes,we just swallow what ever they think is right for us even though we don't approve it or neither need none of it because we all too busy living the american dream.

I'm not trying to justify my wrong actions as driver,but there's no such as perfect driver anyhow,but if you as a law enforcement official are commiting the same infractions as well as me you shouldn't be wearing a uniform at all.

And how our taxes can be better spent i think afganistan & iraq is the best way to show you how good they all spending our taxes.
While 40 millions of people here in the US are all out of health insurance coverage we all saw US chief commander in afganistan asking for more troops ( and more taxes to be spend ) to protect afganistan citizens.That is how you believe your taxes should be spent ? I trully don't think my taxes should go to afganistan,iraq o any where but right here.


I believe in justice as the better path to provide peace,but only when is honestly applied.


It's time for bed

[VX KAT]

Gus, BTW, what is your native country?
)

I'm pretty sure Gussie's said in the past & his profile says he's from Venezuela.

[Gussie2000]

Gus, I was with you most the way until you brought up Afganistan. As a New Yorker, you should know very well how people in Afganistan can affect your way of life in this country. Would you rather spend less taxes so that an Army of idiots can attack your city again? Iraq... different story that should have not been told. ...another blemish in America's history. Afganistan though, is a hotbed for people making efforts to destroy your right to be a programmed robot.

BTW, what is your native country?

Oh, and I protest every day for my right to not wear a seatbelt!

I got you zeus,but i stronlgy believe we should spend that money in security by reinforcing the borders here,not out there.!

We got to recall that the great russian army went in there & they give up.these afgan fighters will never give up the fight.

The afgan people are all warriors,that country have been invaded by all empires & kingdoms since ever & none never succeeded to conquer that hostile land.

Here in NYC,theres' places where you can walk or drive & other places you can't even look at all in low manhattan

On the train stations travelers whom use amtrax,the long island rail road & metronorth are all being watch by hi-tech CCTV systems,checking for suspicious movements while maddoff was walking out thru the doors at his business with millions in hard earned dollars by citizens who trusted him.I wonder how come,with so much security down there no body saw Mr maddoff.

If the constitution of the US says that you have the right & the freedom to transit where ever you want why is it that i can't drive thru exchange place,wall street or lafayette street at all where the biggest scam of all times took place with fanny may,AIG & madoff and now all citizens are paying for their mistakes ? How come i became a threat to those whom asked ( or forced ) me to bail them out ?

Beside that you can see dozens of policemen guarding the wall street area & who pays for that ? AIG ? fanny may ? maddoff ?

That means these BIG TIME guys are all enjoying the protection with NYC taxes while you can read in the new york times on a daily basis how many MTA commuters were robbed by lowlife thugs on the train stations that travels thru the poor neighbors because the lack of police presence (and cameras);That's very funny isn't ?


Mayor bloomberg proudly claims how NYC is safe while walking thru harlem or east new york in brooklyn can be more dangerous then walking alone in the congo with hungry lions hunting you down.


Upsss ! my little puddle is hungry too !