How to fight a Stop Sign violation

[Ldub]

Can someone hold my tongue for me??

Gotcha covered Boss...


Ewwwww...now my hand is all ooky...Drool

[ZEUS]

I'm baffled by this one. What a weird thing to do - I understand your desperation, but if you were truly so desperate to keep your license shouldn't you just stop at the STOP sign? What do you mean the cop could be more loyal? To you? To the system? To alcoholics and potheads? Who? I think it would be standard practice to ask those questions after pulling over someone for blatantly running a stop sign near midnight, anywhere.

"Again, I do understand that I violated that stop sign, and i do understand that I had to accept the consequenses of the violation, even if they dont make too much sense to me"

You may as well just admit your foolish pride since you admit your foolish act and foolish logic, I guess. Your statement above contradicts everything else you have done and said. You did not accept the consequences of your violation at all; instead you lowered your own integrity to get away with something. And yet, you are proud of what you did.

I have to ask; are you going to chalk up this entirely new strain of foolish events to "young, dumb, full of cum" in preparation for future excuses regarding your up-coming strain of foolish events?

Does anyone know what could happen to the owners of the sign that was used to trump the system? If I were a judge, I think I would call the number on the sign and ask if they typically advertise on stop signs. When they said no I think I would ask if they lost one recently. Then because of the sign shown in different positions, I would have charged ZubrAZ for the traffic violation, theft, contempt of court, perjury... and everything Riff listed. Forget a pointless defensive driving class - we're looking at jail time now, smarty pants!

You are lucky the judge doesn't drive a VX or you'd be screwed!

[BoarderCROSS2000]

"The reason why they were not fought and dissmissed: at that time I knew very little about the country and the law and I didnt know how to defend myself."

Ignorance of the laws will not get you anywhere in this group or this country for that matter. Ask Pepino about failure to carry insurance.

You do carry liability insurance don't you?

[Moncha]

In defense of the OP, all cops are dirtbags just looking to hassle the innocents. everyone know that we all can take care of ourselves and we need no big brother watching. And to top it off, the monies collected go to overpaying these dirtbags so they can extort more money from the little man. It's a viscous cycle.

Now that I'm done with the delusional defense, I've heard them all.
The biggest thing that is being missed here is the fact that the OP only had a few point left on his license and this was his only way of protecting himself from loosing his privilege of driving. Albeit, he could have just obeyed the rules of the road, it's just easier to risk a felony charge of "Influencing a Public Official" (The Judge) and blame it on the that dirtbag, money grubbing, cop.

If in fact this is an actual case, the Judge must have been a moron himself to listen to such drivel. No matter what covers the sign, the basic shape and color still indicates that it was a stop sign at that location. Then, there is the fact that even if the sign was so obliterated or even knocked down, the intersection would then be considered an uncontrolled intersection thereby requiring a stop in all four directions.

Once the lashings die down, I will delete this thread but until then I wanna sit and see what everyone else thinks. Maybe we can gain that Pirate 4x4 status again!

[ZubrAZ]

I have to ask; are you going to chalk up this entirely new strain of foolish events to "young, dumb, full of cum" in preparation for future excuses regarding your up-coming strain of foolish events?

the fact that that I havent been pulled over for two years period, does not confirm that I wasnt violating on the road, but assumes it. I changed and I drive very responsibly keeping in mind what I was taught in belarusian driving school: vehicle is the high danger instrument.

with regards to the last incident - I simply did not notice the sign. I know what cops are looking at on weekend nights while trying to get dui opportunities.

You may be right, there is a bit of pride in my act, not in the act itself, but in the way I was able to get this ticket dismissed. I would say pride in creativity.

Also, I like to read your post, Zeus. Well built sentences with strong words. I see an educaterd and knowledgeable person in you, but at the same time a bit of oldish jerk *not to offend or maybe that is my childish maximalism...

[handeeman]

ZubrAZ: "Also, I like read your post ZEUS. Well built sentences with strong words. I see an educated and knowledgeable person in you, but at the same time a bit of oldish jerk " I wonder what liquid is coming from Ldubs nostrils onto his keyboard when he reads that ? LMAO

As for what Moncha said, I remember many years ago seeing a bumper sticker the said something like..."If ya really feel that way, next time you really need help, call a hippie" I think it was on the back of a cop car. lol

[ZubrAZ]

the fact that the OP only had a few point left on his license and this was his only way of protecting himself from loosing his privilege of driving.

incorrect. defensive school would get that ticket dismissed. i would rather volunteer for building the roads in arizona heat than listening to those senseless stories

[ReefFreek]

What an interesting thread. I think everyone has a good point to what they say. Albeit, I tend to lean on the side of not breaking laws but there are plenty of them that are worthless and senseless (another topic for another day). I think stopping at a stop sign is mostly a good one.

Like everything else in this land there are the good and bad regardless of what side of the fence you are on. Many citizens are in the wrong and many cops are in the wrong. I personally put up with the well trained officers (since each one goes through extensive training) because in a time of need they can be useful. I respect them and show them that everytime I see one and honestly most cops put up with a lot of BS from folks. Although honestly, I wouldnt call the local PD if someone broke into my house. Rather I would paint my walls with the intruders brain matter then call the crew to come clean it up.

[circmand]

I did not notice this guy is from AZ. I am sharing the road with someone who does not see how stopping at a stop sign makes the roads safer. God forbid I end up getting T-boned by another VX driver who blows through a stop sign because he did not think it was unsafe to drive on through.

[ZubrAZ]

who does not see how stopping at a stop sign makes the roads safer.

come on! where did i say that? I never been protester of traffic regulations, speed cameras, etc. the road rules are written with blood, so I obey them (it took me a while to understand that). I just did not notice the sign, but I was looking at the road that at the moment was clear from pedestrians (you hardly can find one in phx anyway) and from cars (cop was more than 100 meters away,and was the only moving vehicle besides me) within at least 1/4 miles of visible roads

[circmand]

come on! where did i say that? I never been protester of traffic regulations, speed cameras, etc. the road rules are written with blood, so I obey them (it took me a while to understand that). I just did not notice the sign, but I was looking at the road that at the moment was clear from pedestrians (you hardly can find one in phx anyway) and from cars (cop was more than 100 meters away,and was the only moving vehicle besides me) within at least 1/4 miles of visible roads

"I violated that stop sign, and i do understand that I had to accept the consequenses of the violation, even if they dont make too much sense to me,"

So from your posts it was midnite on a weekend you know cops are looking for DUI people you did not see the stop sign but you were alertly looking for pedestrians from 8 possible locations cars coming from 3 possible locations but you missed the stop sign and the cop? Face it you weren't paying attention and are trying to make up any kind of excuse because you do not think the law applies to you.

[ZEUS]

the fact that that I havent been pulled over for two years period, does not confirm that I wasnt violating on the road, but assumes it. I changed and I drive very responsibly keeping in mind what I was taught in belarusian driving school: vehicle is the high danger instrument. You have changed (as in improved, I assume?) and drive responsibly so much so that you drive thru stop signs and then cover them up to cover your arse? Really? I would love to hear your other stories then!

with regards to the last incident - I simply did not notice the sign. I know what cops are looking at on weekend nights while trying to get dui opportunities.

You may be right, there is a bit of pride in my act, not in the act itself, but in the way I was able to get this ticket dismissed. I would say pride in creativity. There was no creativity involved... at all. Ballsy, gutsy, and brazen perhaps, but in no way creative. I do admit tho, I am mildly impressed with your ability to go thru with something so dastardly!

Also, I like to read your post, Zeus. Well built sentences with strong words. I see an educaterd and knowledgeable person in you, but at the same time a bit of oldish jerk *not to offend or maybe that is my childish maximalism... No offense taken, you would be more correct to label me 'bitter and angry" versus "jerk" tho! And age is relative - I have heard it said, "Old is always 10 years older than you are now." I like that one, so if you are younger than 25, sure I guess I am oldish. I do have an old soul however... or so I hear.

Anyway, congrats on prolonging a grip on your (perhaps undeserved) license. And don't think for a second that I claim to have never done anything "wrong"! Far from it - I have done REALLY STOOPID stuff... you know, back in the day before I turned into an "oldish jerk"! The difference is, I can own up to my stupidity with a sense of regret, whereas you parade yourself around like a proud peacock saying "look at me look at me". In my case regarding this scenario (as well as in the case of others perhaps), I speak my mind in hopes that you will understand why you shouldn't practice such things, versus sitting back while you encourage yourself to try to get away with them again. But good luck with whatever route you decide to take! Now excuse me while I go speeding excessively down the highway!

[Moncha]

I too can say that I am impressed that someone would actually go through something like this...

I definitely am not staying on my high horse, we have a saying. "It takes a bad boy to catch a bad boy" I was just kinda offended by the "promotion" of the act.

[ZubrAZ]

"I violated that stop sign, and i do understand that I had to accept the consequenses of the violation, even if they dont make too much sense to me,"

So from your posts it was midnite on a weekend you know cops are looking for DUI people you did not see the stop sign but you were alertly looking for pedestrians from 8 possible locations cars coming from 3 possible locations but you missed the stop sign and the cop? Face it you weren't paying attention and are trying to make up any kind of excuse because you do not think the law applies to you.

I violated that stop sign, and i do understand that I had to accept the consequenses of the violation, even if they dont make too much sense to me

that what I tried to make an accent on.

and I agree, I had to pay more attention to the road. I was excited, going through the cell, loud music...

as for the cop: i did saw the lights of the suv, but I did not know that was a cop one

[Hotsauce]

If you remember, Martha Stewart did time. Not for her stock trade, but for lying to the court about it.

In the end, its much easier to tell the truth. It is also the honorable way. If you made a mistake, take the consequences like a man.

John C.