People can be such... You know what I want to say!

[vt_maverick]

so your saying that its more important to have sports than to have people the ability to get back and forth to work and school...i know that as soon as i turned 16 i HAD to have a job...how am i supposed to get to work?? mind you that i lived 35 miles away from my school.....45 minute drive EACH way (daily) plus going to work...


ya, i wanna ride the bus and organize all of that.

easy to take away others priviledges when it doesnt affect you...

A big +1 there. I played soccer and worked a 20+ hour a week job on top of school and other extracurricular activities. No way that works without a car.

2. Big temptation to skip classes and they are already the least intelligent generation we have ever put out at a highest per pupil cots.

That's a pretty sweeping and insulting generalization don't you think? We used to skip school by walking down the street to the local strip mall - we actually found that driving your car there increased your chances of being seen leaving (our spaces were numbered so it was easy to see if you weren't there).

And how do you substantiate the "least intelligent" remark? Are you basing that on drop-out rates or something? I can tell you for a fact that more people attend college than ever, and our high schools teach much more advanced math, science, and liberal arts classes than when our parents were in school. For example, my parents studied geometry and algebra in their senior years, while I was in the AP versions of calculus, biology, chemistry, and world history.

So hopefully you meant that remark with respect to only driving, but even in that case it's pretty difficult to substantiate. I would think that the main contributors to the problem discussed in this thread are the fact that there are more 16-18 year old drivers (and drivers overall) on the road than in previous generations, as well as the fact that we have exceptionally deficient driver education and testing requirements in this country (especially with comparison to European nations). The point was well-made earlier in this thread that driver's education should also encompass parking, which would probably diminish the number of these kinds of incidents. And I think that another good indicator of driving "intelligence" over time is that insurance companies have always identified the 16-18 demographic as highest-risk, and many even issue discounts for driver's education courses. Given that insurance companies are all about the statistics and probabilities, those actions would seem to indicate that they view the problem as not due to some fundamental intelligence defect specific to this generation, but rather as a common problem of young drivers of any generation due to their inexperience and lack of education.

[circmand]

A big +1 there. I played soccer and worked a 20+ hour a week job on top of school and other extracurricular activities. No way that works without a car..

You can have your car drive it all you want why should I pay for your parking?

That's a pretty sweeping and insulting generalization don't you think? We used to skip school by walking down the street to the local strip mall - we actually found that driving your car there increased your chances of being seen leaving (our spaces were numbered so it was easy to see if you weren't there). ..

Nothing you can do about walk aways but drive aways could just say I did not drive that day it gives an extra way to do it. Someone who drives away could always walk as well but if you did not drive you cannot drive away.

And how do you substantiate the "least intelligent" remark? Are you basing that on drop-out rates or something? I can tell you for a fact that more people attend college than ever, and our high schools teach much more advanced math, science, and liberal arts classes than when our parents were in school. For example, my parents studied geometry and algebra in their senior years, while I was in the AP versions of calculus, biology, chemistry, and world history. ..

I may have generalized too much here. I did not mean that all students were less intelligent. We are graduating students now that can do stuff that I never dreamed of in HS and I actually did quite well in advanced classes and College. What I meant was that there is a huge percentage of kids in High school now that are stuck in bad schools with bad teachers and the School teachers unions keep them stuck their with the bad teachers. I think our school taxes should go to better schools, better teachers (Nota all teachers are bad I do not want to go that road again) and not just the same bad teachers getting better pay.


Do you realize when the teachers say they only get paid so much a year that they never say they are only working 9 months a year? If they call it a years pay they should work all year like everyone else or be upfront about the fact they get 3 months paid vacation every summer. Also we have bad teachers. We have all had one and if the union gets their way we keep the bad teachers and pay them more for being bad. Or they are saying we are not doing our best but pay us more and we will do better? Is this the person you want teaching the kids?