Reason to be armed...

[Riff Raff]

You should come and get one HA!
I'm probably going to get a more compact .380

Sure, I'll be right over (followed by "tink" sound-- my selector lever being moved from Safe mode to Fire mode).

While you're checking out compact size .380's, take a peek at the Para-Ordnance "Wart Hog" sub-compact .45 ACP (extremely small, extremely powerful, w/high capacity).

[VXIRONwoMAN]

These guys seem like a bunch of ignorant A-holes to begin with. Why are they drinking and driving??? Sounds to me like a situation that would have never happend if they were sober. It scares me knowing that these guys that can barely speak properly, guzzling down booze while wheeling, are toting around loaded weapons. I am glad that those who did have the guns weren't at the scene to return fire. I don't know the whole story by any means. HOWEVER, the old man should have NEVER shot the guy. We always hear about the crazy gun owners that are quick to fire at anyone that rubs them the wrong way, or innocent civilians. Sad that so many peoples lives are ruined by gun fire. It rubs me the wrong way seeing others post about how they would have killed someone after their friend was shot. I could never imagine killing someone as being satisfying, or making what happend right.

I agree with Jo and the crazy UK laws!!!

[Chopper]

Some folks just need shooting! That easy.....(the Germans call it "The face that screams for my fist" or something like that)

[CrnCnn]

Why are they drinking and driving??? Sounds to me like a situation that would have never happend if they were sober. It scares me knowing that these guys that can barely speak properly, guzzling down booze while wheeling, are toting around loaded weapons.

There is a group of offroaders here. Reno4x4.com, and I keep thinking of buying a sticker for my truck since I am a member there. Those guys are very similar to the group that wrote this story though. I see pics from the trail they went on over a weekend or something and there is usually people with beer in their hand on regular stops on the trail. I like to drink, but wait 'til the day is over at least. Most of the time these guys have to drive home, or worse drive a trailer with their ride on it home.

I just dont agree. Plus, after Obama got elected they were saying pretty bad things, racist things. I didnt want obama, but thats not called for. So I am usually reminded that I dont want to be associated with those guys and dont buy a sticker. I also dont support that site.

Yet another reason I like this forum. Good Honest people, for the most part.

[nfpgasmask]

So I am usually reminded that I dont want to be associated with those guys and dont buy a sticker. I also dont support that site.

There are a few decent guys on there, but yeah, the majority of them are douchers, imo. I'm more of a lurker on that site now. I like looking at it from time to time to see what's going on around town and what local people are thinking about.

for the most part.

yeah, we have a much better ratio here!

Bart

[taylorRichie]

While you're checking out compact size .380's, take a peek at the Para-Ordnance "Wart Hog" sub-compact .45 ACP (extremely small, extremely powerful, w/high capacity).

Ha... I think you forgot what you were trying to get... 1911 on the nightstand, Ak under the bed .380 on my person.

Para Ordinance I think I just threw up a little bit.
YUCK!! Hack job guns if you ask me.

And @ nerve... the ballistics of a 40sw aren't substantially different than a 9mm, and a .380 is a 9mm short. And we should all realize... none of us... NONE OF US are going be using our guns, and the threat of them will be enough 99% of the time



Spas 12 on order j/k

[nfpgasmask]

Yeah, I guess the general consensus is that for REAL defense and stopping power, one should not reply on anything less than a .40. When I am out hiking I carry my 9mm. True, it might not be as good as a .40 or 45, but let's be honest, no one wants to get shot. I think a well placed 9mm will do me just fine. That said, I hope to never find out.

Furthermore, there is nothing stopping me from slinging my AK. I worry about two things, hill-billies and mountain lions. I don't EVER want to encounter a hostile situation, and I know it isn't a very likely occurrence, but you never know. Be as smart as you can be, urban or rural.

IMO, for family home protection, there is no replacement for a shotgun. You can remove limbs with a twelver loaded with 00. My shotgun is loaded with 00 and then slug, in alternating order. So, please don't break into my house cause it is going to be a hell of a mess.

Bart

[LittleBeast]

So, please don't break into my house cause it is going to be a hell of a mess.

Bart

HAHA, wow, I will remember that. This brings to mind oh so many FPS moments, like in Halo walking around a corner seeing a quick red dot on your radar and then the next thing you know it you are on the respawn screen cause some dude had a "shotty".

[circmand]

The dude telling the story wasn't a witness. What he did tell us that he was a witness to was dozens of his buddies were weelin across this guys property that was posted (maybe hard to see) And this one guy who owned the property was trying to get them off his property. Now it is unfortunate that anybody got shot. However if you were home alone in your isolated country property and dozens of people came 4 wheelin across you yard it would be prudent to be armed. Since we have not heard both sides we do not know if this group of people who at least some armed members started trying to intimidate the owner or threaten him in some manner. The telelr of the tale was not there for the whole event and is of course telling his side of it. I am interested in seeing the owners side before I make a judgement.

[CrnCnn]

The dude telling the story wasn't a witness. What he did tell us that he was a witness to was dozens of his buddies were weelin across this guys property that was posted (maybe hard to see) And this one guy who owned the property was trying to get them off his property. Now it is unfortunate that anybody got shot. However if you were home alone in your isolated country property and dozens of people came 4 wheelin across you yard it would be prudent to be armed. Since we have not heard both sides we do not know if this group of people who at least some armed members started trying to intimidate the owner or threaten him in some manner. The telelr of the tale was not there for the whole event and is of course telling his side of it. I am interested in seeing the owners side before I make a judgement.

Thats why I like the story, because who knows what the guys that were wheeling were really up to. So either way shows reason to be armed. The way they tell it, it seems that this guy was nutty and as I read it he accidentally shot this dude when jabbing him with the barrel.

[AlaskaVX]

Thats why I like the story, because who knows what the guys that were wheeling were really up to. So either way shows reason to be armed. The way they tell it, it seems that this guy was nutty and as I read it he accidentally shot this dude when jabbing him with the barrel.

Link worked today

You don't jab someone with the barrel of a gun unless you are planning on shooting them. And damn straight I would move the gun out of my gut too if I was him.

Its not his property, if they were mining his minerals thats one thing but driving on a claim? That guy shouldn't even care unless he was crazy and had booby traps. I can't believe some of you guys are defending the shooter, he obviosly was not fearing for his life, as no one had pulled a gun on him. He seems to be the instigator 100% to me.

I'm curious how after his passenger was shot, how they got out of there. The guy said he heard 4 shots, was he shooting at the fleeing vehicle? I want to know more, crazy story!

[pbkid]

IMO, for family home protection, there is no replacement for a shotgun. You can remove limbs with a twelver loaded with 00. My shotgun is loaded with 00 and then slug, in alternating order. So, please don't break into my house cause it is going to be a hell of a mess.

Bart

lol same here bart...i have a 30" 12ga(home protection shotty) in my room (not loaded until something happens because ill be damned if i get shot with my own gun!)

12ga with 00buckshot and a rottweiller...oh and 12 years martial arts for me..

i feel pretty safe in my home

[Nerve_Gas]

And @ nerve... the ballistics of a 40sw aren't substantially different than a 9mm, and a .380 is a 9mm short. And we should all realize... none of us... NONE OF US are going be using our guns, and the threat of them will be enough 99% of the time

...Speak for yourself...No using it to threaten doesn't always work and you should never your weapon to threaten unless you whole heartedly intend to use it.

[taylorRichie]

...Speak for yourself...No using it to threaten doesn't always work and you should never your weapon to threaten unless you whole heartedly intend to use it.

Ooops... didn't see you're from Richmond...

You probably have to use it daily

I agree don't pull the weapon unless you intend to use it, but even more important, don't pull the trigger if the threat is gone.

Of course in my CCW class the POLICE OFFICER that ran it said... "Dead men tell no tales"


And I always speak for myself but thanks

[Nerve_Gas]

Yeah I live in the RVA but its not that bad. There are other reasons I said what I said but I can't go into detail on that.