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    Yeah, I guess the general consensus is that for REAL defense and stopping power, one should not reply on anything less than a .40. When I am out hiking I carry my 9mm. True, it might not be as good as a .40 or 45, but let's be honest, no one wants to get shot. I think a well placed 9mm will do me just fine. That said, I hope to never find out.

    Furthermore, there is nothing stopping me from slinging my AK. I worry about two things, hill-billies and mountain lions. I don't EVER want to encounter a hostile situation, and I know it isn't a very likely occurrence, but you never know. Be as smart as you can be, urban or rural.

    IMO, for family home protection, there is no replacement for a shotgun. You can remove limbs with a twelver loaded with 00. My shotgun is loaded with 00 and then slug, in alternating order. So, please don't break into my house cause it is going to be a hell of a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfpgasmask View Post
    So, please don't break into my house cause it is going to be a hell of a mess.

    Bart
    HAHA, wow, I will remember that. This brings to mind oh so many FPS moments, like in Halo walking around a corner seeing a quick red dot on your radar and then the next thing you know it you are on the respawn screen cause some dude had a "shotty".

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    In all fairness

    The dude telling the story wasn't a witness. What he did tell us that he was a witness to was dozens of his buddies were weelin across this guys property that was posted (maybe hard to see) And this one guy who owned the property was trying to get them off his property. Now it is unfortunate that anybody got shot. However if you were home alone in your isolated country property and dozens of people came 4 wheelin across you yard it would be prudent to be armed. Since we have not heard both sides we do not know if this group of people who at least some armed members started trying to intimidate the owner or threaten him in some manner. The telelr of the tale was not there for the whole event and is of course telling his side of it. I am interested in seeing the owners side before I make a judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circmand View Post
    The dude telling the story wasn't a witness. What he did tell us that he was a witness to was dozens of his buddies were weelin across this guys property that was posted (maybe hard to see) And this one guy who owned the property was trying to get them off his property. Now it is unfortunate that anybody got shot. However if you were home alone in your isolated country property and dozens of people came 4 wheelin across you yard it would be prudent to be armed. Since we have not heard both sides we do not know if this group of people who at least some armed members started trying to intimidate the owner or threaten him in some manner. The telelr of the tale was not there for the whole event and is of course telling his side of it. I am interested in seeing the owners side before I make a judgement.
    Thats why I like the story, because who knows what the guys that were wheeling were really up to. So either way shows reason to be armed. The way they tell it, it seems that this guy was nutty and as I read it he accidentally shot this dude when jabbing him with the barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrnCnn View Post
    Thats why I like the story, because who knows what the guys that were wheeling were really up to. So either way shows reason to be armed. The way they tell it, it seems that this guy was nutty and as I read it he accidentally shot this dude when jabbing him with the barrel.
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    You don't jab someone with the barrel of a gun unless you are planning on shooting them. And damn straight I would move the gun out of my gut too if I was him.

    Its not his property, if they were mining his minerals thats one thing but driving on a claim? That guy shouldn't even care unless he was crazy and had booby traps. I can't believe some of you guys are defending the shooter, he obviosly was not fearing for his life, as no one had pulled a gun on him. He seems to be the instigator 100% to me.

    I'm curious how after his passenger was shot, how they got out of there. The guy said he heard 4 shots, was he shooting at the fleeing vehicle? I want to know more, crazy story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaVX View Post
    I'm curious how after his passenger was shot, how they got out of there. The guy said he heard 4 shots, was he shooting at the fleeing vehicle? I want to know more, crazy story!
    I do too. It all seems crazy and full of holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaVX View Post
    Link worked today

    You don't jab someone with the barrel of a gun unless you are planning on shooting them. And damn straight I would move the gun out of my gut too if I was him. !
    I agree here a gun allows you some distance why give up your advantage

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaVX View Post
    Its not his property, if they were mining his minerals thats one thing but driving on a claim? That guy shouldn't even care unless he was crazy and had booby traps. I can't believe some of you guys are defending the shooter, he obviosly was not fearing for his life, as no one had pulled a gun on him. He seems to be the instigator 100% to me.
    Excuse me? Were you there? Were you part of the party driving through? We are seeing one side of the story from a person who was not even there the whole time yet you are taking his version of things as if they were 100% true. I myself would be intimidated if a dozen or so dudes started getting up in my face and I was all by myself in the middle of nowhere. You would be too. The story teller admitted the land was posted but claimed it was kinda hidden. Well he saw it they should have turned around but they decided screw the owner we can go where we want. He also admitted some of them were armed just not the ones who were caught tresspassing. I do not enjoy people being shot but had these wheelers not tresspassed (a felony) it never would have happened. Who knows they may have also been damaging the habitated of woolly spotted dick tree frog a rare and protected species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfpgasmask View Post
    IMO, for family home protection, there is no replacement for a shotgun. You can remove limbs with a twelver loaded with 00. My shotgun is loaded with 00 and then slug, in alternating order. So, please don't break into my house cause it is going to be a hell of a mess.

    Bart
    lol same here bart...i have a 30" 12ga(home protection shotty) in my room (not loaded until something happens because ill be damned if i get shot with my own gun!)

    12ga with 00buckshot and a rottweiller...oh and 12 years martial arts for me..

    i feel pretty safe in my home
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