Quote Originally Posted by tomdietrying View Post
circmand, you are missing the main point, and the point you are missing is HUGE. We invaded a country. Any country not even the USA is allowed to invade a country without just cause. Tom
Sorry Tom but every country in the world that exists or ever did exisst is a result of one country invading another. Unless you propose moving out and handing the country back to the native americans we are an occupying force. Rome invaded most of Europe as did Napolean later, Genghis Khan did the same with most of Asia.


Quote Originally Posted by tomdietrying View Post
We, America, save countries who were invaded by other countries. At least that what we are supposed to do. Tom
Where does this come from? The Constitution? The Bill of Rights? No this is not and never has been the reason America exists. This is an arguement for starting a war withcountries you think we should be fighting and an excusde to blame our leaders when they start a war you do not want a war with. Give me a list of what gives us a right to invade SOME countries. Remember Sadaam killed millions is that okay? Should we not have taken him out because the people he killed where Iraqi? Remember Iraq is a country made up of 3 earler countries where one took over the other two. Iraq only became Iraq in 1922 before that it was ruled by Britain after it was taken from Turkey and before that part of the Ottoman Empire and earlier it was called Mesopatamia. Now over the centuries all nationalities have interbreeded and it is the country of Iraq but till 1920 there was no Iraq and such no Iraqis.

Quote Originally Posted by tomdietrying View Post
Our government lied to the American people why we went there. Now they are trying to justicfy their lies with the good deeds of building up the country that we blew up. Does that not bother you in the least? Tom
Of course it does. I never argued it was a good idea. My issue is the one that despite just about every Senator and Congressman voting for the war certain uninformed peple think it was just George Bushh or Dick Cheney who did the deed. Why them and not Pelosi, Murtha and all the others? Well because they are my party so their misdeeds do not count.

Quote Originally Posted by tomdietrying View Post
We, as a country, need our integrity back. It begins with individuals holding people accountable for the decisions that were made.
Peace.Tom
This is just plain ludicrous. If you think we ever had a politician or leader or even the country had an image of integrity. Were we loved and respected when the hostages were taken in Iran and Carter was Prez? How about by the Cubans during the Bay of Pigs under Kannedy and he plotted with the Mafia to assassinate Castro, or by the Japanese on Dec 7 1941? I have not argued Bush was right. I have simply asked questions that would make the people who made statements prove it. It was assumed that since I had the temerity to question that I was for Bush. Frankly I do not trust either Party. And too many people in this country vote a party and not a platform based on their own self interest and think it is okay if their candidate does something that they bewail and moan about if someone from the other party does it.