**Patriotic Retirement**

[VXR]

i'd be busy spending my time trying to make up reasons why Obama's recovery plan won't work to make it look like my GOP had a clue....

So you are saying it will work??

[nfpgasmask]

Hello wasabi.

Hey dude!

I just love this place.

Bart

[Marlin]

I just love this place.

Bart

Ahhhh, I can't wait to meet you guys at Moab. The Expedition forum is boring, bunch of old guys that just talk about how crappy their MPG are in their Expeditions, if only they knew my Vx gets worse mpg than my expedition...

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

So you are saying it will work??

I think so...

"Black guys are used to cleaning up white guys messes"

[pbkid]

Ahhhh, I can't wait to meet you guys at Moab. The Expedition forum is boring, bunch of old guys that just talk about how crappy their MPG are in their Expeditions, if only they knew my Vx gets worse mpg than my expedition...

same with the subaru forums....all they do is talk about how ricey every car on the road is....

including mercedes slk mclaren's

[circmand]

I find it funny how some pointy nosed fish can say whatever non sensical right wing conservative BS they can quote from Rush Limbaugh and feel like that does not stir the pot...but I put down my thoughts and Im a 60's era rabblerouser! If I was a republican senator , i'd be busy spending my time trying to make up reasons why Obama's recovery plan won't work to make it look like my GOP had a clue....

But Obama is doing the same things Bush did only worse. He is picking his Democrat flunkies (who pay no taxes) He is spending wastefully tripling the deficit if his plans go through. Bailing out big bussiness on the backs of the middle class, letting his rich friends and donors at banks and AIG take millions in bonus and only asking for it back when we raise hell. The only reason Bush did not criticize Obama when he was asked is because Obama is doing exactly what Bush would have been doing.

[Marlin]

But Obama is doing the same things Bush did only worse. He is picking his Democrat flunkies (who pay no taxes) He is spending wastefully tripling the deficit if his plans go through. Bailing out big bussiness on the backs of the middle class, letting his rich friends and donors at banks and AIG take millions in bonus and only asking for it back when we raise hell. The only reason Bush did not criticize Obama when he was asked is because Obama is doing exactly what Bush would have been doing.

I will defend Obama on one thing, for the most part, he is doing everything he said he was going to do, increase our deficit, encourage abortion, give money to those who didn't earn it, release the terrorists stored in Gitmo, raise taxes, and so on. At least he didn't lie too much so far, I respect that................in some weird, self hating kind of way.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

But Obama is doing the same things Bush did only worse. He is picking his Democrat flunkies (who pay no taxes) He is spending wastefully tripling the deficit if his plans go through. Bailing out big bussiness on the backs of the middle class, letting his rich friends and donors at banks and AIG take millions in bonus and only asking for it back when we raise hell. The only reason Bush did not criticize Obama when he was asked is because Obama is doing exactly what Bush would have been doing.

Yes and no..
I'm sure you are aware of the term "It takes money to make money"..
Well It does, Obama is having to bail out these big banks and industries to save American jobs. Do I agree with it...no. I think if your business fails from bad management and bad decisions ...oh well too bad GM, too bad AIG, Too bad Citibank...That's the free market...The strong survive...ect, ect...
The problem is that those companies are not just high powered CEO'S and suits.Those companies are the financial lifeblood of millions of american families.So it's in our best interest on the short term to keep them afloat rather than have another few million people collecting unemployment.
The "New Deal" brought us out of this countries first great depression,that was just as big for it's time than this stimulus package is now. Let's face it , we could use an investment in our countries infastructure ...Does anyone remember that bridge that collapsed in St.Paul a few years back? A lot of good can be done with that money to boost our roads and tunnels and bridges.
If you look at history, this country has had it's best economic growth during
democratic rule. Republicans talk the talk but can turn a surplus into a deficit as fast as you can say "George W".
Just imagine if GWB was handed the country as in bad a shape as Obama received it...Where would we be now?

[circmand]

Yes and no..
I'm sure you are aware of the term "It takes money to make money"..

Obama is not making money he is writing IOUs to pay for everything

Well It does, Obama is having to bail out these big banks and industries to save American jobs. Do I agree with it...no. I think if your business fails from bad management and bad decisions ...oh well too bad GM, too bad AIG, Too bad Citibank...That's the free market...The strong survive...ect, ect...

Agreed

The problem is that those companies are not just high powered CEO'S and suits.Those companies are the financial lifeblood of millions of american families.So it's in our best interest on the short term to keep them afloat rather than have another few million people collecting unemployment.

Save the company yes fire the suits that caused the problem not keep them hired give them millions in bonuses and pretend you knew nothing about it

The "New Deal" brought us out of this countries first great depression,that was just as big for it's time than this stimulus package is now.

New Deal caused the problem to continue it did not solve it. When you build a bridge you are creating a temporary job. When the bridge is built everyone is let go.

Let's face it , we could use an investment in our countries infastructure ...Does anyone remember that bridge that collapsed in St.Paul a few years back?

Yes from an incorrect brace being used.


If you look at history, this country has had it's best economic growth during
democratic rule.

The moments of best growth were wars and sure mostly started by Democrats but I think the reasoning is not sound

Republicans talk the talk but can turn a surplus into a deficit as fast as you can say "George W".

If you think it started with Bush then you ignore the so called surplus Clinton claimed were all pie in the sky projections based on the dotcom area not bursting. If that is the case Obama is responsible for everything since he took office. You cant blame Bush from day and excuse Clintons legacy and then excuse BO because he inherited it.


Just imagine if GWB was handed the country as in bad a shape as Obama received it...Where would we be now?

You mean bloated budgets, terrorists running amuk Clinton had Osama handed to him and he let him go. He also bombed the Chinese Embasy in Afghanistan that is truly Carteresq in incompetance. Clinton inherited a great set up and ran it into the ground.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Originally Posted by HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE
Yes and no..
I'm sure you are aware of the term "It takes money to make money"..

Obama is not making money he is writing IOUs to pay for everything

(Obama is saving jobs, those jobs generate money,Google the Kensian theory of economics)

Well It does, Obama is having to bail out these big banks and industries to save American jobs. Do I agree with it...no. I think if your business fails from bad management and bad decisions ...oh well too bad GM, too bad AIG, Too bad Citibank...That's the free market...The strong survive...ect, ect...

Agreed (cool)

The problem is that those companies are not just high powered CEO'S and suits.Those companies are the financial lifeblood of millions of american families.So it's in our best interest on the short term to keep them afloat rather than have another few million people collecting unemployment.

Save the company yes fire the suits that caused the problem not keep them hired give them millions in bonuses and pretend you knew nothing about it
( It was Senator Jack Kemp (R) who put that provision in the stimlus package)
The "New Deal" brought us out of this countries first great depression,that was just as big for it's time than this stimulus package is now.

New Deal caused the problem to continue it did not solve it. When you build a bridge you are creating a temporary job. When the bridge is built everyone is let go.
(no, you build another bridge)

Let's face it , we could use an investment in our countries infastructure ...Does anyone remember that bridge that collapsed in St.Paul a few years back?

Yes from an incorrect brace being used.
(on a 40 year old bridge)


If you look at history, this country has had it's best economic growth during
democratic rule.

The moments of best growth were wars and sure mostly started by Democrats but I think the reasoning is not sound
( Democrats starting wars? really?)

Republicans talk the talk but can turn a surplus into a deficit as fast as you can say "George W".

If you think it started with Bush then you ignore the so called surplus Clinton claimed were all pie in the sky projections based on the dotcom area not bursting. If that is the case Obama is responsible for everything since he took office. You cant blame Bush from day and excuse Clintons legacy and then excuse BO because he inherited it.
(Clinton came in with a deficit from Bush senior, Big Bush, George H W, whatever you wanna call him...All I can tell you is between me and my friends, we all did better when he was in office, money was flowing like BS out of a republican...OOPs..)


Just imagine if GWB was handed the country as in bad a shape as Obama received it...Where would we be now?

[Gussie2000]

actually.....2 things.....
1- isuzu is partly made by GM....
2- i would never buy an american made vehicle unless it was a diesel truck. any gas motor made by american is complete CRAP. go ahead and buy one, then be surprised when my motor ticks over 300k miles (my integra is at 270k and still going strong) and yours is blown at 75-100k (like my first VX motor)

i HATE american motors, i think they are horribly built...they just dont last...yes they do produce amazing power, but they never last...(unless diesel)

Amen !

[Gussie2000]

The facts here guys is that GB was a fraud since he "won" the 2000 elections.

Every body knows GB never won that election & yet stil we just seat our a.... at the coutch & look at the TV just accepting whatever few guys in a small office in florida decide whoever they wanted go to the white house.

There's a true saying : when things begins on the wrong side it never ends good side & that's what exactly happened with the unfamous GB,every body knew but don't accept that he was just a clown on a $ 3000 suit saying whatever MR Cheney told him to say.

Recesion started in 2006,not in 2007 as how many people believe when big corporarions begin to merge ( AT&t/Cingular) (North forth bank/capital one) (fleet national bank/north forth bank) & so many others.but every body were to bussy asleep dreaming the american dream.

[jwatk1ns]

Watch this video. This man has incredible courage to tell it like it is. , this is the direction we are going (thanks too Bill BushOma, Barney Frank and company)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

[Gussie2000]

Watch this video. This man has incredible courage to tell it like it is. , this is the direction we are going (thanks too Bill BushOma, Barney Frank and company)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

That's what i called an state-of-the-art speech. AAA+

[VXR]

The "New Deal" brought us out of this countries first great depression

Common misconception

WWII brought us out. You would be amazed how quickly a draft can cure unemployment...