My mistake PB, I missed your post. I know you are a car audio installer so I thought you might find it interesting that I got to know about the grand national thru my VX. I was putting in my stereo when I first got my baby and was looking for a place to buy the HU and and mid and high amp. I was driving from my house to best buy to see if they had the alpine cda-9887 that I was interested in and drove by a pretty large shop that had a big alpine banner out front and decided to swing by. The shop turned out to be Speakerworks, a legend in car audio circles, I had heard of them, but didn't know they were just down the road from me! The owner and I had a very long talk about car audio in general and he showed me the pictures of their grand national install that is still to this day considered to be one of the greatest car audio installs of all time and some of their other local installs. I wanted to get them to do a SQ install on my vx using their waveguide horns and serious sound deadening but I just didn't (and still don't) have the cheese to make that happen. I did end up buying almost all of my gear from them and installing it myself, and am very happy with the results. But I know I won't ever be satisfied until I take the VX down there for the royal treatment. I can only imagine what it must have been like driving that GN around town