Problems with SC

[Tone]

Wish you had called or emailed me with all your issues - the install guide talks about Scotch briting the injector holes on the manifold to allow the injectors to slip in - that and grease or vaseline. Yes, they are tight as there is a lip inside the hole that makes it difficult to get them in past but I dissagree with the shop's assertion that they are too small. A little emery cloth (or a dremel if they are careful) will allow them to slide right in.

I've installed many of the kits from different casting batches and they ALL have been tight but all worked without cutting an oring. I just finished a kit install in Hawaii in 6 hrs and they were tight but I was able to get the stock, used, bloated orings in with Scotchbrite, a little vaseline and patience. The one I just installed was made at the same time as yours and shipped the same day. If the shop needs to talk with me about it, please give me the number and I'll be happy to assist them - it really is a simple matter to resolve.

I'm not sure Alpine should have to cover what any decent shop should be able to resolve using a little brain power. And why post this and your other issues instead of trying to work it out directly with Alpine or myself FIRST? I answer my phone 24/7 even when on vacation and answer emails almost daily while out but have not heard anything directly from you.

[AlaskaVX]

I was talking with Alpine, they said to use the scotch brite, the shop just laughed and said "ya right, its way too much ". Isn't the injector supposed to be able to have a little play once its in there? From what Tone said it sounds like they should just jam it in there and that would have 0 play. They install many superchargers, mainly on Jeeps, and have not had a problem like this before. The shop does not want to try to dremel out the holes since if they screwed up its their fault and thats a lot of money to cover! I don't want leaking injectors so I believe that the shop is doing the right thing. My new manifold is supposed to arrive today, so we'll see what happens. Tone the injector fits in the hole WITHOUT an o-ring and has NO play. You know how big those o-rings are and there is just no way in hell they can just oil it up and slide them in.

Maybe a few hours of scotch brite might do it but don't you think it should be fabbed to work without doing that. I mean it says that it is fabbed to bolt on a stock motor and from what I see it definately is not.

[paultvx]

He's got a point... those puppies ought to pop right in. If he has to do additional machine work on his own... might as well have sent him a blank.

[Tone]

Well it appears Alpine has sent a new manifold with the holes slightly reamed out so the shop can more easily fit the injectors, which should be tighter than the stock fitment to prevent blowby. I've used Scotchbright, sandpaper or a dremel carefully on some that have been too tight - it is a difficult fit and knowledgeable mechanics should have no trouble. 3/100ths ain't that much...

Since the injectors should have been moved to the new manifold BEFORE installing the manifold on the engine, there would be no install charges to be responsible for - they should have stopped when they couldn't get the injectors to fit. The gaskets then would not have torqued down either although they are multi use gaskets.

[AlaskaVX]

Thanx for the quick reply, Well I guess I will have to talk to the shop about that then. Since I know sure as hell I am not paying for work that has to be undone! If the instructions said to do it first then it is definately the shops fault and they should eat the time.

TTYL,
Alan

[FeatherFoot]

I see they didn't listen to my suggestion to Scotchbrite the injector holes and include new o-rings in the kit. Before I was asked to leave, I was polishing the holes in the manifold and fuelrail so y'all didn't have to.

I don't think there is any of the original bunch still there.

Oh well.

John

[AlaskaVX]

So you made things work, and they got rid of you? Now I see.... So what needed to be done to the fuel rail? and why? If they would have listened to you then they would have saved Alpine and I from this headache.

[Dallas4u]

John, are you still unable to talk about what has happened at Alpine???

[FeatherFoot]

In the manufacturing process, burrs are formed between surfaces. These burrs cut the O-rings if you are not real carefull at assembly.

On the kits I pre-assembled, I used an exacto blade to first cut the burr off then polished the holes for the injectors using a hand drill and green Scotchbrite.I think on some of them I even lubed the holes with Vaseline. I know I did on all of the ones I assembled and installed. To date no problems I've heard of.

No Adam, I'm not able to comment yet, litigation pending. When able I will share all with you all.

John

[AlaskaVX]

The shop recieved the new manifold and they got it put together up 'till the fuel rails where they ran into yet another problem. I guess one was fine but the other had something wrong They tried to explain it to me but I didn't really understand. It was something to do with a screw/bolt with a hole through the middle couldn't attatch to something else. I wish I could explain more but my knowledge of engines is very little.

[paultvx]

Sounds like you've got a shop that doesn't read instructions.

[AlaskaVX]

why do you say that?

[Joe_Black]

That bolt with a hole through it is a banjo bolt. Your fuel actually comes through that thing and they are very common (and inexpensive) parts available at most parts houses. Just in case your rocket scientists buggered it up. :rollg:

[AlaskaVX]

Thats exactly what they were talking about, I think they said the threads were off so it wouldn't attach to where the fuel was coming in from.

[AlaskaVX]

OK just called them up to check the status. They said "hold on" then I heard him tell them "rev it up!" Then "vroom vroooom" from the back. I am so happy right now! I get my VX back woooo hoooooo! KICK ASSS!