to the electrical guys..

[twistedsymphony]

Last I checked, unless aftermarket bits have been added, the dome light is "all of the interior lights"...
With the exception of the instrument cluster, glove box & ash tray, none of which dim wit da dome.

I just checked the FSM (18D-13 and 18D-14) and it look like the "Room Lamp" assembly on the VX does actually have the timing relay built into it.

This is different from other cars I've worked on where kick panel and, map lights, or a 2nd dome light would illuminate as well.

Looking at the circuit the dome lights get triggered from the PRESCIENCE of Power. when you hit your keyless entry button or open a door it sends power to the dome light which will stay on for as long as there is power and fade out when the power disappears. If you use a dome light you'll have to figure out a way to emulate the keyless entry module which looks to have it's own timer to provide power to the dome for a few sections before allowing it to fade off.

if you were to make this work for the door handles you would have to find some way to emulate the timed pulse that the keyless entry provides (or as if you opened the door for a few seconds then closed it). Really it'd only be useful for the fade effect as you still need to create a "pulse" with something else to trigger it after the car is turned off and before you open the door.

I don't know why everyone is ignoring my 555 timer suggestion, it would serously take a beginner less than 10 minutes to solder it together

[Ldub]

I just checked the FSM (18D-13 and 18D-14) and it look like the "Room Lamp" assembly on the VX does actually have the timing relay built into it.

This is different from other cars I've worked on where kick panel and, map lights, or a 2nd dome light would illuminate as well.

That's where our techniques vary, you look at the manual, while I have had mine apart & modded it to work in my overhead console, while also powering the transformer for the blue "rope light" that accents the perimeter of the console. Now both the dome, & the rope light, stage down when the door is closed...
Not saying either technique is better, just different ways of approaching the same set of circumstances.

if you were to make this work for the door handles you would have to find some way to emulate the timed pulse that the keyless entry provides (or as if you opened the door for a few seconds then closed it). Really it'd only be useful for the fade effect as you still need to create a "pulse" with something else to trigger it after the car is turned off and before you open the door.

Very true, I hadn't realized ETL was talking about the interior mechanism when I first brought this up.

I don't know why everyone is ignoring my 555 timer suggestion, it would serously take a beginner less than 10 minutes to solder it together

I don't think anyone is intentionally ignoring your 555 suggestion, the fact is, many of us (I include myself in this statement) don't have anywhere NEAR your depth of expertise & experience in matters pertaining to electronics...
The schematic you posted could just as well be in Chinese or any number of other languages I'm illiterate in...
I can barely solder wiring extensions onto the harness under the hood in half an hour, I can only imagine the mess I could make of a circuit board.

[twistedsymphony]

Soldering some chips and other components to a small proto-board is actually EASIER than doing stuff like harness work. It look more difficult but really it's not.

If you don't mind spending a little more you can buy whats called a "bread-board" which will let you build a prototype of your circuit by just plugging in the parts. NO SOLDERING REQUIRED



it's as easy as building stuff with legos.

Electronics are easy once you understand the basics. If you simply learn to read a circuit diagram you can build just about anything, you don't even need to understand the math behind it or why it works... All the diagram tells you is what parts are used and how they all connect together.

a 555 timer circuit is quite simple and if you're even slightly interested in learning to build circuits or other little electronic projects then buying yourself a bread board a pack of resistor, a pac of capacitors, a pack of LEDs and a couple of 555 timers you'll have a lot of fun and realize just how easy this stuff is.

I didn't even get into electronics until I was in college and I had a friend who was an EE, I had him explain what the different symbols were in circuit diagrams and it was a total eureka moment. spending $15 on a bread board and some pre-cut wire I stared building all kinds of stuff..


That site I linked up top is awesome for beginners...
check out this page for a quick list of basic components... http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/symbol.htm

you can also go here: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/compon.htm
to see a comparison of what the symbols look like compared to the real life components (in most cases they're very similar)

after looking at that, take a look at the diagram I posted again... it's really very simple.

I'm happy to help answer questions on this stuff. Knowing how to read circuit diagrams will open up a world of possibilities for modifying your car.

[Ldub]

Soldering some chips and other components to a small proto-board is actually EASIER than doing stuff like harness work. It look more difficult but really it's not.

If you don't mind spending a little more you can buy whats called a "bread-board" which will let you build a prototype of your circuit by just plugging in the parts. NO SOLDERING REQUIRED



it's as easy as building stuff with legos.

Electronics are easy once you understand the basics. If you simply learn to read a circuit diagram you can build just about anything, you don't even need to understand the math behind it or why it works... All the diagram tells you is what parts are used and how they all connect together.

a 555 timer circuit is quite simple and if you're even slightly interested in learning to build circuits or other little electronic projects then buying yourself a bread board a pack of resistor, a pac of capacitors, a pack of LEDs and a couple of 555 timers you'll have a lot of fun and realize just how easy this stuff is.

I didn't even get into electronics until I was in college and I had a friend who was an EE, I had him explain what the different symbols were in circuit diagrams and it was a total eureka moment. spending $15 on a bread board and some pre-cut wire I stared building all kinds of stuff..


That site I linked up top is awesome for beginners...
check out this page for a quick list of basic components... http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/symbol.htm

you can also go here: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/compon.htm
to see a comparison of what the symbols look like compared to the real life components (in most cases they're very similar)

after looking at that, take a look at the diagram I posted again... it's really very simple.

I'm happy to help answer questions on this stuff. Knowing how to read circuit diagrams will open up a world of possibilities for modifying your car.

COOL !...Thanks, I'll look into that later, gotta go work now.

[twistedsymphony]

If you're interested in picking this stuff up here's what you can get from RadioShack to get you Started.

looking at radioshack's website you can pickup a bread board for about $8
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

you'll also want to buy a set of pre-cut wires for the board another $7
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

this will give you oodles of wires pre-cut and stripped for easy use on a bread-board, trust me, it's worth it.

Then pickup a battery holder of some sort (need to power your circuit), I recommend one that holds 4 AA batteries since that will give you roughly 5V of power which is perfect for most projects. http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

If you're building car circuits you'll also want to pick up a "7805" power regulator. Which will take the 12V from the car as an input and output 5V for your circuit. http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...regulator&sr=1

you'll only need to use this part when hooking it up to your car, this component is very popular more info here: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/powersup.htm#regulator One thing to be weary of is this part can get hot since it burns off the extra energy as heat. The 555 circuit probably wont draw much though so it might not even be a concern for this project.

Then just pickup whatever other parts you need for your particular project and go to town plugging stuff in and experimenting.

if you really want you could just leave the bread board right in your car, lots of people leave their projects like that and most bread boards have double sided sticky tape on the bottom for just such an occasion. I would recommend transferring your circuit to a regard proto-board and soldering it in place once you're happy with it though, since it's a lot more permanent and you don't have to worry about things falling out, then you can re-use your bread board for your next project.

[tom4bren]

"I don't know why everyone is ignoring my 555 timer suggestion"

Right, the 555 is easy to use & is very versitile. I used one to build a sawtooth generator in college & used one once to build a pest repeller years ago. It's just a bit of overkill to use it for a timeout circuit (IMHO).

The real question is what to use to trigger the light to come on in the first place. I assume that you're not interested in a switch on the dash since they're hard to find in the dark. The most logical trigger in my mind would be the dome light. If the dome isn't triggered by turning off the ignition key (can't remember), it'll still come on as soon as he opens the driver door. You can still use the 555 astable multivibrator (that really is it's official name) to time it off at a different rate. It's also possible to use it for dimming an LED as well (PWM) but that would be more complex to design.

[twistedsymphony]

"I don't know why everyone is ignoring my 555 timer suggestion"

Right, the 555 is easy to use & is very versitile. I used one to build a sawtooth generator in college & used one once to build a pest repeller years ago. It's just a bit of overkill to use it for a timeout circuit (IMHO).

The real question is what to use to trigger the light to come on in the first place. I assume that you're not interested in a switch on the dash since they're hard to find in the dark. The most logical trigger in my mind would be the dome light. If the dome isn't triggered by turning off the ignition key (can't remember), it'll still come on as soon as he opens the driver door. You can still use the 555 astable multivibrator (that really is it's official name) to time it off at a different rate. It's also possible to use it for dimming an LED as well (PWM) but that would be more complex to design.

whoa whoa whoa...

I think you're missing HOW I was suggesting to use the 555 timer...

"Monostable mode" does EXACTLY what we're looking for here..

it gets a trigger, then it outputs a solid on signal for X amount of time.. then it turns off the output and waits for a trigger again.

this is exactly what we're looking for. the signal is when the ignition turns off. when that happens the LED comes on for X amount of time... then the LED turns off and waits for an signal again.

If you attach it to the dome light for a signal then the design has already failed because the intent is to help the passenger find the interior door handle BEFORE the door is opened... the dome light comes on AFTER the door is opened... at which point you don't need to find it anymore

As for the trigger...
the 555 timer has a trigger input... the cool thing about how it works really nicely with this setup.. is that the 555 is activated on the "trailing end" of the trigger pulse. what does this mean?

I means when the car is off the Ignition/ACC signal is at 0V... then when you start the car it goes up to 12V, This is the LEADING edge of the "trigger pulse" (it just happens that this single "pulse" lasts the duration of the car ride). When you turn the car off the Ignition/ACC signal drops back down to to 0V, this is the TRAILING edge of the "trigger pulse". Since the 555 does it's thing on the trailing edge of the trigger pulse it turns on the LED the instant the Ignition/ACC signal drops down to 0V. PERFECT

A 555 timer triggered from the ACC line in the VX and wired in monostable mode with an output to an LED would work like this:

-The VX is off and so is the LED
-you start the car and go for a drive... the LED is still off
-you park it and leave it running... the LED is still off
-You turn the key off ... the LED comes on and stays on
-the LED turns off after a set amount of time.
-repeat

I don't know but IMO that seems to be EXACTLY what we're looking for an EXACTLY the kind of application the 555 was built to be used for.


If you want to add a fade effect to that where the LED comes on instantly stays on for a few seconds, and then fades out, you'll just need to add a transistor and capacitor between the output of the 555 and the LED.