HHO Generator (Gas mileage thread)

[bentcipher]

Alright, I've had enough of this... Kurt, please excuse some of these comments, they're only representing the views of their respective owners.

I always thought of Vehicross as being revolutionary and ahead of it's time. Back in 99-01 these things truly possessed a lot of qualities that many did not/could not embrace and only a few of us could appreciate. Those of us that did, cherish this vehicle to this very day, 7-9 years later.

Now, when Isuzu built this model, they were banking on buyers with open minds that were willing to explore boundaries of an SUV/offroad market. But the market was tough and unfortunately, that wasn't enough to keep Vx production alive for longer than 3 years.

What Freeme Labs is trying is not all that different. They've got a product that they claim to have been able to make work and believe is quite revolutionary. I cannot believe that we have so many people willing to shut their minds to even the idea of this working... the same people that opened their minds to an "outside the box" vehicle like the VehiCROSS.

From where I'm sitting, I see at least one Vx owner that was able to make this work, more or less - so this cannot be entirely "snake oil". Additionally, I'm not seeing any posts from anyone that have attempted the same with no positive results - and I'm not talking backyard mechanic kinda stuff. So either you shut your mouth or buy the damn product through PayPal, disprove it, and then return it. But don't give this guy a hard time because he might have something you're not willing to accept. We need more vendors like this to step forward and offer quality aftermarket products for our aging fleet.

Besides, a forum is the worst place to scam. People are pretty close and if you scam one, the whole community is on your arse.

- d

P.S. And no, he doesn't have to own a Vx.

[Hotsauce]

I know!

Lets use a solar panel to power a lightbulb to generate more electricity!

We'll get free light and power forever!

Uh, no. That won't work either for the same reasons.

John C.

[don moore]

hey Kurt..do you own or have or looking to get a VX????
or is this a spam message.

[LittleBeast]

Now, when Isuzu built this model, they were banking on buyers with open minds that were willing to explore boundaries of an SUV/offroad market. But the market was tough and unfortunately, that wasn't enough to keep Vx production alive for longer than 3 years.

Are you serious? The molds that Isuzu stamped our body panels out of were only good for under 5,000 units, it was never Isuzu's intention to mass produce the VX for years to come, it was a promotional gamble to grab fellow motorist attention and get them into the Isuzu showroom, where no they would not plop down over $35,000 for a 2 door SUV, but they would have them in the showroom with opportunity to show them the Trooper, or other more main stream Isuzu's. Why in the world do you think we have a ISUZU logo the size of a billboard on the rear of the VX? So there would be no doubt which dealership to go to and check those things out. "The market was tough and wasn't enough to keep VX production alive?" Oh come on you don't really believe that do you? They were not planning on producing any more than they did, lol, wow, I thought everyone on here at least knew that much.

[VCAMILO]

My co-worker (sits next to me at work) built a system a month back and installed it on his Expedition. He gained about 20% better milage. He only needs to fininsh the cooling of the water and the system is complete. He has been able to maintain his water at a normal level for over three hours. I think he needs to bore out some whole for better water flow and efficiancy. Im next in line for his install; In the next few weeks or months.

[crager34]

It's been interesting to see where this thread went, and I was very surprised at the idea having freemelabs banned from here, which he shouldn't. I would like to say that I didn't invite him here and not sure how he did get here, but I do appreciate his getting involved. I have also agree to work with Kirk and see if this is a viable option for better MPG and if it's not, he promised to refund my money and actually told me to post all results, even negative.

I have seen articles that show this works, and others touting snake oil and it would seem that the best way to find out is through personal experience.

I will keep everyone posted.



Remember Galileo Galilei

[Hotsauce]

In order to get more consistant test results I would propose that the ECU be reset before both mileage runs.

Same gas from same station, and same pump so that that full is the same in all cases.

John C.

[crager34]

In order to get more consistant test results I would propose that the ECU be reset before both mileage runs.

Same gas from same station, and same pump so that that full is the same in all cases.

John C.

This is a good idea and for those who have been to Moab, it won't be hard to accomplish this. If there are other suggestions I am happy to hear them.

BTW - I am the QA/Compliance oversight for this DOE project out here and it's my job to be un-biased in every situation (I don't make many friends). It's my job to see that the taxpayers are getting a good product for the $98 million dollars estimated to be spent out here moving this dirt. In short - my reports will be honest and unbiased to Freemelabs and the VX community.

Darrin

[taylorRichie]

I'm anxiously awaiting the results...

I know Darrin won't be pushing false info on us... Doesn't seem in his character, Not that I know him extremely well, but I wouldn't think so.

And as far as driving style effect MPGs... Doesn't really matter as long as the same person is doing the before and after, and they're consistent in their driving style.

I'm very skeptical, but also open minded, I don't know it all, but I DO know that our engines are extremely inefficient at Burning fuel, so If it takes some energy to make our engine more efficiently burn fuel, there is a certain point where it's plausible.

Turbos, and superchargers do the same... It takes energy to turn the pulley on a supercharger, but the energy it takes is less than the energy produced, on a turbo same deal, it takes energy to push the turbine on the exhaust, but it's more efficient at taking that energy and multiplying it.

So I say Plausible

[LittleBeast]

Yeah... Some some strict controls need to be installed to get as accurate a test as possible.

Kurt and crager thanks for working together on this, I am excited to see the results!

But as we all know driver style (heavy foot/slow acceleration) and location (hwy/city) have more of an impact on mileage than almost anything else, so unless there are huge differences I still say it is possible that most positive results are placebo effect (aka high hopes = slow acceleration = better mpg).

[etlsport]

But as we all know driver style (heavy foot/slow acceleration) and location (hwy/city) have more of an impact on mileage than almost anything else, so unless there are huge differences I still say it is possible that most positive results are placebo effect (aka high hopes = slow acceleration = better mpg).

its true.. i was in a very relaxed mood today.. my trip home i averaged 18.3mpg according to the scangauge (which has been dead on accurate to the .1 gallon over a full tank for the last 6 months) and on other days i am as low as 12.5mpg on that same trip