HHO Generator (Gas mileage thread)

[Francesco Rizzo]

You can find Nasa's test from hydrogen and fuel mixtures here but that link was provided from comments left on this popular mechanics article which has a pretty skeptical author. I skipped through the pdf file but saw mostly talk of emissions and effect on the way fuel was burned, not actual mpg figures. People who commented on the article in the second link said that nasa used 100 times the hydrogen then HHO can provide and still didn't get magajor MPG increases. I’m also really skeptical.. and put my stock into known, proven technologies: Little motor with just-e-nuff hp wrapped in a scion Xa shell.
Funny thing though, that report was writen in 1977 Nasa and included "in view of decreasing petroleum resources, a system using 100-percent reformed methanol might be an interesting supplementary
or alternative fuel system"

[FreemeLabs]

First, HHO-support systems are not intended to propel the vehicle. That is a common misunderstanding. At this point in time, they are merely supporting the more complete burn of the fossil fuel. Right now, standard auto engines only burn somewhere between 60-80% of the fuel, with the remaining unburned fuel being burned as waste by the catalytic converter. HHO introduction improves the burn to over 90% in the cylinders, allowing more of the fossil fuel to be put to work.

So, your opposition is actually completely true: It would take A LOT of HHO to make a significant different in gas mileage if it were being used for propulsion, but if the HHO is being used to make more of the fossil fuel usable, significant gains in fuel economy is reasonable, and that is the science between our HHO systems.

Really, though, if I were really after suckering people into buying these units, why would I be spending my time trying to enlighten this forum to the truth about HHO? If I were a scheister and smart, I'd pick easy targets, not the highly resistant audience to whom I address these words. But my team is dedicated to getting the grassroots mechanics market involved in supporting the development and implementation of HHO, and THAT is why I spend my time trying to win your support for this technology.

I'm asking you to give the idea a chance, and keep in mind the fundamental principles upon which this technology is based. It's not about propelling the vehicle; it's about burning gas and diesel more efficiently.

I think I've said enough to get those who are open to look into it further, and to those who are not, I could continue to rebuttal and defend the technology, and you would never receive it... For those who are open, you have my contact information, and you have plenty of controversial information on both sides of the conversation on the net.

I'll close by simply saying: Above all, I'm committed to doing business virtuously. Aside from this business, I own a web development firm and an auto dealership, both of which I hold to ethical and moral standards high above what the market demands. I know this technology is effective and practical because I've witnessed it working first-hand. Either, I'm an amazingly greedy, amoral man, or I'm telling the truth.

Feel free to contact me.

Kurt Theobald
CEO
Freeme Labs
417.824.0950
kurt@freemelabs.com
http://www.freemelabs.com

[bentcipher]

Alright, I've had enough of this... Kurt, please excuse some of these comments, they're only representing the views of their respective owners.

I always thought of Vehicross as being revolutionary and ahead of it's time. Back in 99-01 these things truly possessed a lot of qualities that many did not/could not embrace and only a few of us could appreciate. Those of us that did, cherish this vehicle to this very day, 7-9 years later.

Now, when Isuzu built this model, they were banking on buyers with open minds that were willing to explore boundaries of an SUV/offroad market. But the market was tough and unfortunately, that wasn't enough to keep Vx production alive for longer than 3 years.

What Freeme Labs is trying is not all that different. They've got a product that they claim to have been able to make work and believe is quite revolutionary. I cannot believe that we have so many people willing to shut their minds to even the idea of this working... the same people that opened their minds to an "outside the box" vehicle like the VehiCROSS.

From where I'm sitting, I see at least one Vx owner that was able to make this work, more or less - so this cannot be entirely "snake oil". Additionally, I'm not seeing any posts from anyone that have attempted the same with no positive results - and I'm not talking backyard mechanic kinda stuff. So either you shut your mouth or buy the damn product through PayPal, disprove it, and then return it. But don't give this guy a hard time because he might have something you're not willing to accept. We need more vendors like this to step forward and offer quality aftermarket products for our aging fleet.

Besides, a forum is the worst place to scam. People are pretty close and if you scam one, the whole community is on your arse.

- d

P.S. And no, he doesn't have to own a Vx.

[Hotsauce]

I know!

Lets use a solar panel to power a lightbulb to generate more electricity!

We'll get free light and power forever!

Uh, no. That won't work either for the same reasons.

John C.

[don moore]

hey Kurt..do you own or have or looking to get a VX????
or is this a spam message.

[LittleBeast]

Now, when Isuzu built this model, they were banking on buyers with open minds that were willing to explore boundaries of an SUV/offroad market. But the market was tough and unfortunately, that wasn't enough to keep Vx production alive for longer than 3 years.

Are you serious? The molds that Isuzu stamped our body panels out of were only good for under 5,000 units, it was never Isuzu's intention to mass produce the VX for years to come, it was a promotional gamble to grab fellow motorist attention and get them into the Isuzu showroom, where no they would not plop down over $35,000 for a 2 door SUV, but they would have them in the showroom with opportunity to show them the Trooper, or other more main stream Isuzu's. Why in the world do you think we have a ISUZU logo the size of a billboard on the rear of the VX? So there would be no doubt which dealership to go to and check those things out. "The market was tough and wasn't enough to keep VX production alive?" Oh come on you don't really believe that do you? They were not planning on producing any more than they did, lol, wow, I thought everyone on here at least knew that much.

[VCAMILO]

My co-worker (sits next to me at work) built a system a month back and installed it on his Expedition. He gained about 20% better milage. He only needs to fininsh the cooling of the water and the system is complete. He has been able to maintain his water at a normal level for over three hours. I think he needs to bore out some whole for better water flow and efficiancy. Im next in line for his install; In the next few weeks or months.

[crager34]

It's been interesting to see where this thread went, and I was very surprised at the idea having freemelabs banned from here, which he shouldn't. I would like to say that I didn't invite him here and not sure how he did get here, but I do appreciate his getting involved. I have also agree to work with Kirk and see if this is a viable option for better MPG and if it's not, he promised to refund my money and actually told me to post all results, even negative.

I have seen articles that show this works, and others touting snake oil and it would seem that the best way to find out is through personal experience.

I will keep everyone posted.



Remember Galileo Galilei

[Hotsauce]

In order to get more consistant test results I would propose that the ECU be reset before both mileage runs.

Same gas from same station, and same pump so that that full is the same in all cases.

John C.