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    HP HEAVEN - exp with modding our engine

    Here is their reply to me....



    Hi John,



    I did reply but it must not have gone through. Anyways, have you done any modifications already?



    If your keeping it naturally aspirated we have seen substantial gains from the basic mods of a free flowing exhaust system. We recommened a 2.5 inch mandrel bent system with Pacemaker brand headers/extractors. If your race class allows it I would not use any mufflers at all or if you have to then obviously use 2.5 inch straight through items.



    On the intake side of things over here in Australia the factory airbox was very very restrictive to keep noise down for emissions. Remove the whole box if possible on your model and use a K and N pod filter.



    Lastly, we would suggest the use of an aftermarket ecu such as our own WOLF V500. With the above bolt on mods and then some ecu remapping you will be very surprised at how the car transforms. In our experience the 6VD1/6VE1 engines were heavily restricted from factory so theres a lot of power to be had just by releasing the restrictions imposed by Isuzu.



    The above is just a bolt on stage and we have not done much with the autos so I don’t know how far you could push it.



    If you get to the stage where you want to open the engine up for head work/ bottom end work then the very first thing needed to be addressed is the factory oil supply system to the bottom end bearings. Isuzu did a poor job of engineering in this area and when power levels start climbing its not a matter of if it will let go but when. The main problem is an oil supply issue to the number 6 bearing. It gets starved of oil and burns out leaving a nice hole in the side of the block if the rod grabs which nobody wants to have happen. There were many engines over here that were not modified in any way that had this problem occur. Keep your oil level in check lol.



    Other things engineered by isuzu such as the ignition system seem to be very well done. We have seen well over 500kw at the wheels using the factory ignition with no type of amplification. The stock crank also showed no signs of cracking or any twisting at this power level also, but it was obviously balanced and prepped beforehand.



    On the forced induction side of things then it first comes down to whether you want to supercharge or turbocharge. We have done both and had great power results but from our experience turbo charging is more beneficial. From a reliability, engineering and power potential point of view.



    After that its just of matter of how much power you want to make. Theres still head work, pistons, rods etc for those people just wanting to make big numbers.



    For your type of application a mildly powered responsive package is what you need. If forced induction is allowed in your race class then the most suited system would be a small turbocharged setup. This would give lightning response combined with decent top end power and no sign of lag. A small turbocharged 6VE1 drives like its a naturally aspirated 5 litre.



    For the wolf V500 ecu, there are dealers already in USA who are familiar with the product.



    Any other info you need feel free to ask.



    Kind Regards,

    Luke Amanatidis - Director

    Mobile: 0403 045 577

    Office: +61 03 9312 4555

    Fax: +61 03 9312 4566

    http://www.hpheaven.com.au

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    This is the coolest email I have ever seen! Thanks John for getting this very valuable info for us.
    Cars designed by spreadsheets make sense. Cars designed by engineers make history.

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    Wow, thanks a lot, I have already subscribed to this thread, just in case I run out of things to break while trying to make them better. Interesting stuff. So how hard would the ECU swap be?

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    This is your new god, BOW YOUR HEADS!


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    I found this interesting:

    "If you get to the stage where you want to open the engine up for head work/ bottom end work then the very first thing needed to be addressed is the factory oil supply system to the bottom end bearings. Isuzu did a poor job of engineering in this area and when power levels start climbing its not a matter of if it will let go but when. The main problem is an oil supply issue to the number 6 bearing. It gets starved of oil and burns out leaving a nice hole in the side of the block if the rod grabs which nobody wants to have happen. There were many engines over here that were not modified in any way that had this problem occur. Keep your oil level in check lol."

    This would clearly explain why my oil consumption is greater when I am say, driving at highway speeds up mountains and such. I could wheel all day in low gear not burn a drop, but when I drive over the Sierras at 70MPH, I can easily burn a quart in that 2 hour trip alone.

    Thanks J,

    Bart

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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiak View Post
    This is your new god, BOW YOUR HEADS!

    Here you go larry (LDUB) and all the other Supercharged folk...

    Now let's see what your charger can really do.

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    On another note for the $2,000-$2,500 price tag... you could just save for an LS1, which is the route I'd go if my engine got unhappy.

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    anyone know what the part number is for the K&N pod filter they mentioned, I checked a couple of sources and our engine wasn't mentioned
    Is this something that we would have to get a close fit and then modify it? For people who have done it, any changes that may be noticed both positive and negative? Thanks!!!

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    i think the pod filter they are talking about is just a universal 3" inlet cone style filter. the benefits are a much less restricted intake, the downside is a pretty significant heat gain, you could remedy that by putting in a heat shield of some kind but im pretty sure that would need to be fabbed on your own


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Isuzu View Post
    anyone know what the part number is for the K&N pod filter they mentioned, I checked a couple of sources and our engine wasn't mentioned
    Is this something that we would have to get a close fit and then modify it? For people who have done it, any changes that may be noticed both positive and negative? Thanks!!!
    Uh, it is louder, especially under heavy throttle, like a sucking sound under the hood, but I did notice an immediate butt dyno increase in horsepower, whatever that is worth.

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    They are a little slow to respond but once they do they are very helpfull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldub View Post
    I'd like to go with this one

    http://turnkeyenginesupply.com/or_57530.htm

    But as long as we're dreaming...

    http://turnkeyenginesupply.com/or_62700.htm

    Yep... I'll let you know when it's completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBeast View Post
    Uh, it is louder, especially under heavy throttle, like a sucking sound under the hood, but I did notice an immediate butt dyno increase in horsepower, whatever that is worth.
    Um, given my recent experience with performance mufflers, I might as well give up on this idea, I think it would be different if the VX was somewhat quiet originally b/c then you could gradually get louder, but seeing as how our poor thing already is so loud it really doesn't take much to get intolerable to me
    and yes, I've already dynamatted (?) it

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    Carburetors are for old folks who are afraid of that new fangled computer stuff..

    LS engines for the win... best bang for your buck anywhere in the automotive scene.

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    BUMP - Another post has been made with info from these guys.

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    cool

    and now that I've re-read this thread... I think I actually have a 3" pod filter just laying around

    FWIW warm air through the intake will help fuel economy... colder air will hurt it (but help performance) a more free flowing intake will help both.

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