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    5-Speed Swap Info

    Before I even bought my VX I lamented the fact that it was never made in anything but an automatic... I thought surely a 5 speed swap would be a popular modification considering it's performed commonly on other collectors cars that were auto only, or mostly made as an auto.

    I was also surprised that I couldn't find a single person who had done a 5-speed swap save a few pictures of racing spec VXs.

    Since any real info on this was fairly non-existent I decided to look into the feasibility myself and see what would be involved. Obviously with the VX sharing so much with other Isuzus that's the first place to look. Also with other Isuzus being more common I decided to start looking for information there to see if someone had done a swap on a different vehicle with a similar setup.

    http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?p=159566

    What I learned
    Troopers that used the 4L30E Automatic and TOD used the MUA5 transmission as the alternative options... the 5 speed (from what I've been told) was only available with the 3.2L and the transfer case is integrated into the transmissions... meaning that if you used that transmission you would lose the TOD system as well

    using MUA5 you will need the 3.2L bell housing (which should be direct bolt on) as well as a flywheel from a 5-speed 3.2L and the 3.2L clutch/pressure plate.

    The factory transmission cross-member is apparently the same between the two transmissions so no customization is needed there either.

    Another thing I learned is that the VX shares a firewall with the Amigo... this means that you could use a clutch pedal, Clutch Master Cylinder, and 5-speed Brake pedal from an Amigo and the mounting locations should exist (you will probably need to drill some bolt holes though). You might also be able to use the clutch lines from an Amigo as well, though I'm not entirely sure on that.

    The driveshaft length will change, meaning you'll have to have a custom one made... this usually costs about $200-$300 for a steel one and $400-$500 for an aluminum one (aluminum drive shafts will improve your mileage and acceleration BTW)

    I'm not sure if the MUA5 uses cooling lines if it doesn't the existing transmission cooling lines need to be capped or removed, if it does use them it will need to be adapted.

    The two things left after all of this is the computer and the internal trim... I'm not sure if the center console shifter area is shared with the 95-97 Rodeo like the dashboard is... if it is shared then you're probably only looking at swapping some plastic for an OEM look.

    As for the computer, again I'm not sure if the computer is similar to that of the trooper, if it is then you could simply swap it out... if not you will likely need to do some sensor fooling to make the computer assume that the auto transmission is a-ok.... I'll have to look more into this aspect...

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    I apologize if this work has already been done once before. I looked for a couple of weeks to find GOOD 5-speed swap info on the VX to no avail... after doing research myself I managed to find all of the above in 2 days by asking questions to a few key people in the Isuzu community.

    I have no plans to do this swap right now, I don't jump into projects like this until I know the feasibility and all the info about what has to be done.

    I'll post more when I figure it out, but I'm waiting to receive my FSM... when that comes in I should be able to determine what needs to be done on the Computer side of things.


    Another interesting link I found on engine swaps is here:
    http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson...uroraSwap.html

    This is beneficial to anyone interested in replacing the motor but NOT the transmission.
    Last edited by twistedsymphony : 07/30/2008 at 08:17 AM

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    Doing a little more research I was able to determine that the Rodeo shifter trim should work for the VX... the new 5 speed wont need transmission cooling lines so they can be capped off and the Trooper 5 speed computer should work for the VX...

    Parts list is as follows:
    -MUA5 Transmission with 3.2L/3.5L Bell housing
    -3.2L/3.5L Clutch & pressure plate (should be bought new)
    -3.2L/3,5L Clutch Slave Cylinder (should be bought new)
    -3.2L/3.5L 5 speed flywheel
    -Brake Pedal from a 5 speed Rodeo (or saw off half of the auto pedal)
    -Clutch Pedal from a 5 speed Rodeo
    -Clutch Master Cylinder from a 5 speed Rodeo
    -Clutch line from a 5 speed Rodeo? (go with SS braided line if possible)
    -Computer from a Trooper with the 3.5L 5 speed
    -Interior Shifter Trim from a 5 speed Rodeo
    -Custom Drive-shaft

    I'm thinking you could get the job done for ~$1000-$1500 +installation depending on how much you could find the parts for.

    MUA5s go for ~$500 with the next most expensive item being the custom drive shaft...

    This would be a complete bolt-on project with the exception of drilling a few holes to mount the clutch pedal... you'd lose TOD but you'd gain a bullet proof transmission/t-case that would not only allow for 2WD and Full-time 4WD but you'd probably have a quicker VX along with much improved gas mileage.
    Last edited by twistedsymphony : 07/31/2008 at 05:27 AM

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    All this is interesting... So the 3.5 and 3.2 bellhousings interchange then? Joe Black is pretty knowledgable in all things Isuzu and I know he had some pics of the firewall and pointed out the "cutouts" for the clutch pedal assembly and all that. Otherwise, I haven't heard any real mention of swapping a manual into a VX. I wonder if the transmission tunnel on the VX would be tall enough to fit the manual tranny... Do you know anything about that yet or did I miss it? The use of a manual tranny may be a good route for swapping in a solid axle... and for using a lower low range gear ratio!
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    I haven't investigated if a 5-speed will fit in the tunnel.. all of this info is from talking with Isuzu off-road people who have done various engine/transmission swaps and know which parts are compatible with what.

    However with nearly every other vehicle I've seen the Automatics take up quite a bit more space than 5-speeds, so I'm not to worried about that.

    Not to mention Manufacturers typically build their chassis to handle either, even if they never plan to release one or the other, if trends take a sharp turn tomorrow and they discover that automatics kill kittens and everyone wants a stick shift, they want to make sure they don't have to re-engineer the whole thing

    I kind of really want to do this now, but I wont be able to do any of this until next spring at the earliest. If all goes well it would only take a weekend to do, if something goes horribly wrong it could take months though and I'll need my VX for the winter (not to mention I've got other projects on my plate right now). I might take this on sooner if it had already been done by someone else... but as they say "the pioneers get the arrows, the settlers get the land" I don't mind being a pioneer, but I can't afford any arrows right now

    I was just really interested in the feasibility so I started researching and thought it would be nice to share my results. :gring:

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    I got a little more clarification on some items so I updated the list above.

    3.2L and 3.5L equipment is completely interchangeable, so bell housing, flywheel, clutch, etc. can come from either or.

    flywheel is different from auto to 5 speed so it will need to be swapped.

    firewall is from a RODEO not an AMIGO (duh, it has the rodeo dash... of course it would be a rodeo firewall)... I don't know how I got that one wrong...

    Also I'm thinking it might be necessary to swap the gauge cluster from an auto cluster to a manual cluster... since you will no longer need the TOD bits nor the auto selection indicator.... you might be able to make due just pulling bulbs.

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    Sounds like it might be best to find a complete '99 5-speed Trooper. You could just swap the motor, trans, computer, and t-case out of the Trooper at your own pace. Only the finishing touches would require finding a Rodeo, it sounds like, so that would be the only junk yard scrounging you would have to do. Selling the left over parts from both rigs might offset the price of buying a complete Trooper. Does computer swapping in a late model Isuzu create problems with emissions though? I know some vehicles won't pass emissions inspection after a computer swap because the VIN's don't match and it throws a code...

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    That's awesome bigmeat!
    I have to do this! My left foot is atrophied.

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