Every mile costs/ ideas to better the milage

[MoonRaker]

Hmm, interesting. I wounder what they found fraudulent about his work. If it was a fraud why did NASA hire him? Why did he sign a defense contract a week before he died?
Ok heres some more food for thought. Water is a compound of the elements oxygen and hydrogen. H2O, how do you split a compound, you excite the elements enough to split with somthing like electricty. Check this out, its guys taking it to the next level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9NvboKL43Q

Still a critic, hears another test, I thought at first it was a fuel like alcahol but I notice water running down the plug and that woulda burst the whole place into flames.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Uk511S_I&NR=1

So I see now why he ended up in court for fraud, he mostlikly had a pissed off investor who got a couple of scientests to say its impossible. Its funny what scientists say is impossible, like atomic explosions before the first atom bomb was set off. If you get the rite jurry you can be convicted of anything or nuthing, especialy if they belive the other guy. Just ask OJ.

[MoonRaker]

Im not here trying to sell you guys anything, im just informing you of what im working on at the moment and what ive learned. I just thought you might have some intrest. Im the kinda of person that dosnt belive until I see it. Yeh, I had a pipe dream of running Baja and it was just that, not enough support and a bad econamy effects everyone. Im just looking at options to better the planet and us buy alternatives to fossil fuel. Im a chill guy so I dont like to argue, just kick back and see what happens, you never now, you might be surprised.

[Ldub]

Here's an article on the topic that may be of interest to those involved in this discussion...

http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome...82708&id=59703

[MoonRaker]

What kind of volume would you guys think youd need to totaly run your car on hydrogen with a preasure system. Ive seen some systems that have a 10,000 psi holding tank that gets on average of 300 miles to a fill but thats on a compact. Id say the tank looks like a 10 gallon. Its highway leagal and impact safe with a switch that shuts the tank off, probly hooks up to the same system as the airbags. The only drawback of burning hydrogen is water after burn and whats needed to be done to purge the engine before shutdown. With what im using I just shut the hydrogen off for a minute. Im thinking of trying a system like that on my mazda after it gets out of the body shop. I figure after the initial cost alls you need to do is plug it in when you get home and not go more then the gas range. Check these out

http://www.qtww.com/products/afsch/injectors.php

[circmand]

I would think just like gas hydrogen mpg or whatever they call would be different based on hte vehicle as well. I have been checking my miles per tank and frankly I am getting 300+/- with regular gas per tank. This is what the starter of this post stated he was getting after he installed the equipment. I wonder if this is a case of paying more attention to driving habits and not hydrogen?

[Ascinder]

All I know is that everyone I've talked to that has had a device similar to this installed has reported positive results that even taken conservatively show promise. Bottom line is that internal combustion engines are so far from efficient it's ridiculous. I think instead of immediately storming this thread with naysayer posts, how about something constructive and supported. Yes this vehicle does tip two tons on the scales, but when a 550 HP V-8 beats us in mileage, it means our engine just aint doing something right. Everyone I mention our mileage to seems to think it doesn't sound right. So if injecting hydrogen and oxygen into the air charge makes for more complete and even combustion, then that makes sense to me. Look at nitrous oxide. It sounds unreasonable that throwing some "special gas" in the air charge could increase horsepower 50-150%, but it does. It's really not that unrealistic to say that changing what the engine breathes changes how well it works. How well does your metabolism work when you eat junk food vs. eat healthy-same with engines folks.

[MoonRaker]

Well, today I was looking for volume buy filling a 10 gallon tank. It seems im looking at 1 psi every 10 minutes, give or take. Keep in mind its only 1 hydrogen generator pulling 2 amps at 12 volts. Ive also mixed in a little bakingsoda to give a little extra electrolight to the distilled water. The volume output isnt as high as id like, my goal is 1 psi a minute on a max of 10 amps for a 10 gallon container. If I can get it even better thats great. Any ideas??? It seems that surface area of stainless is a key also. I tryed another test to see what effects the hydrogen has on other gases buy placing a propane torch over a open cell [no preassure or enclosier] and it deffinatly makes the gas burn faster. It would cut the lenth of flame in half showing a quiker burn.