Yeah, I guess for me punk vs pop punk is the style of the music itself, not just how the band rebels or goes against the mainstream. I mean, to me, there is a "punk sound" for sure. I'm just old school I guess. There is nothing like some good, polictical, aggressive punk to get your blood pumping.
I think I once read an interview with Green Day about how they never considered themselves "punk". It was a label they just somehow acquired. Its funny, I love stories like that. Its just like The Sisters of Mercy. I read somewhere once that they never intended to be a "goth band". But as it turns out, they are like one of the most notable goth bands in history.
Funny how genre labels really mean nothing.
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