2008 Baja 1000

[Chopper]

Your computer skillz are only equal to those I posess...probably superior, I'm Amish...& no, I'm only seeing a home page. Though the self repairing chair does look interesting.

I could never quite put a reason to it...now I can. I grew up in N.E. Pa.. I am the only person I know, that has hooked and driven Percheron's, Belgians, Mules, and hot ol' Standardbreds. We had the only phone for miles, and (except for a few Mennonites) the only vehicles. I made a living for years, with horses (they've broken most of my bones) Now I know why I like you

[Ldub]

I could never quite put a reason to it...now I can. I grew up in N.E. Pa.. I am the only person I know, that has hooked and driven Percheron's, Belgians, Mules, and hot ol' Standardbreds. We had the only phone for miles, and (except for a few Mennonites) the only vehicles. I made a living for years, with horses (they've broken most of my bones) Now I know why I like you

Sorry Chopper, that should have read "nearly Amish in my computer skills"...I'd rather you were mad at me for my misinformation, than have you think I'm something I'm not. I don't have anywhere near your depth of experience with horses, though our somewhat primative/ rural backgrounds are similar.
Moon, sorry for the thread jack.

[MoonRaker]

No problem, my thoughts of horses are there nice animals. My neighbor had one trained like a dog. I wouldnt ever get back up on one though, went out with a few friends while in the army and the ride was finda till we turnned them around then ALL of them started racing towards the barn, there were guys that fell off, jumped into trees and me the only one still on the horse standing in the Barn after a mile of full tilt lack of control and hand prints left in the saddle, never been on a horse since.

[Chopper]

Notice the phone and vehicle references...we were the only non-Amish/Mennonite in a pretty large area. Everyone helps harvest everyone else this time of year...stuff rubs off, when you're a kid. My apologies Moon, back to Baja.

[MoonRaker]

Has anyone played with a system like this on the VX. We just installed one on a test car (supercharged RX-8) and it nearly froze the intake pre supercharger. This impressed me and thats hard to do. They claim 100 hp on mustang cobra all motor and up to 400 degrees cooler exaust.
http://www.snowperformance.net/product.php?pk=9

[Ldub]

That's been rolling around the back of my brain since I saw it in the Summit Racing catalog...thought it would be great in conjunction with the S/C.
Since the S/C boosts the power up to near the limits recommended for our tranny, it's probably good that I can't afford it.

[MoonRaker]

That's been rolling around the back of my brain since I saw it in the Summit Racing catalog...thought it would be great in conjunction with the S/C.
Since the S/C boosts the power up to near the limits recommended for our tranny, it's probably good that I can't afford it.

Im thinking without the S/C. Its completly tunable, it not only created lots more power on WW2 P-51s but increased the gas milage also. It Keeps your overall Temps down. You gotta rember the methonal is incapable of burning at a 50/50 mix so it cools everything.

[Ldub]

I don't have your depth of experience, but I got the impression that these kits worked best with boost. But if you can crank the volume down enough, it sounds doable.

[MoonRaker]

Like I said before, they have done it on a natraly asperated cobra mustang and gained 100 HP, even a 50 HP increase would be awsome.

[Joe_Black]

Without forced induction you won't see any significant power increase, and if they're claiming increases without boost then it's likely bogus. The P-51 had a two-stage supercharger, the NA meant "North American" who was the manufacturer of the P-51. Unless you have something to force additional air into an engine then the volume of fuel available to generate power is pretty much limited by displacement. But like P. T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and it seems most own vehicles.

[Chopper]

Dub...you a Deadhead?

[Chopper]

Hey Joe....you wanna argue radials vs. inlines.....vs. Vs? The P51's aero played a bigger part than its engine. You couldn't stay on boost long, before you grenaded the thing anyway. I've read a few pieces about using the alcohol as a cooling charge, instead of fuel...lots of potential there. P.S. P38's were blown till their head bolts trembled......same deal....you got it for 32 seconds.

[MoonRaker]

Well, we went from 265 to 305 on the dyno this afternoon on a supercharged RX-8. The throttlbody on back tends to get so cold it sweats on the outside. Seriosly if you bring intake temps down that low in a high heat atmosphere shouldnt it in theary gain power and bringing total head and exaust temps down increasing durabuility under high stress applications.

[Joe_Black]

Hey Joe....you wanna argue radials vs. inlines.....vs. Vs? The P51's aero played a bigger part than its engine. You couldn't stay on boost long, before you grenaded the thing anyway. I've read a few pieces about using the alcohol as a cooling charge, instead of fuel...lots of potential there. P.S. P38's were blown till their head bolts trembled......same deal....you got it for 32 seconds.

I love the round engines moreso than the inlines, although there's a little fondness for the inverted inlines like the Bf-109's Benz and the Fi-156's Argus (okay, it's an inverted V). Even the Fw-190's BMW radial had methanol injection for brief high altitude boosting, as you mentioned for only brief periods before the excessive compression made things looser than intended. Never was a fan of the Merlins, got two here that roar around the pattern fairly regular (P51 and a Spit) but they're nothing compared to the occasional B-25 or A-26. Took my Dad up in a B-17 couple years back and I wouldn't trade that for two rides in a Lancaster!

Well, we went from 265 to 305 on the dyno this afternoon on a supercharged RX-8. The throttlbody on back tends to get so cold it sweats on the outside.

Basic physics and mechanics at work there. You're pulling a lot of air through a venturi at high velocity, and if you know anything about basic aviation as well that's a recipe for icing which is why most recip aircraft have carb heat. Show me a hot carburetor or throttle body and I'll show you an engine that isn't running.

[MoonRaker]

Well the A/I did drop the charge temps alot, 40 F. The intake and throttlebody are very hot because of underhood temps without the meth, if it wernt for the water to air IC the charge temps would be way to high. Im not trying to argue with ya. But with the testing ive done sofar ive gotten nothing but postive results, better then I expected, way better, come on -(40 F). We already ordered 10 more kits, 1 is going on the VX and im going to see if I can pull more power but even better, extend the life of a tank of gas. Ill tell ya how far down it pulls the air temps in N/A form, touch your plentum, that thing gets dam hot. Might unplug the FWD and strap it down to the dyno for giggles. On the air fuel reading stock at wide open throttle it was reading 12.5, with the meth/water injection we fattened the air/fuel all the way to 11.5 and it cleaned the plugs like it was runnung leaner and even the exaust cleaned up. Temps dropped all the way around, even the the engine water temps at full load. I also see it helping keep oil temps down but we wont now till more testing is finished. Weve only had this system working for 3 days. Im sure were going to see more to come.