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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
    In the end it comes down to what Triathlete aptly said in the post above: my motto is I am going home at the end of the day in one piece.
    AMEN! Maybe because I haven't seen You-Tube's versions, and I'm working off the local news coverage...What I saw was someone Yelling (not asking) accusatory questions, in a "machine gun" rapid fire sequence, not allowing for any sort of answer. Dude tried to answer...a few times, but junior was on a soapbox and was having none of it.
    I'd have to say you are completely wrong. Although your interpretation is far too common. The guy had a 3 step question where the first two questions were really rhetorical, just laying out the basis for his real question. Paraphrased it went like this:

    1) The election was really close - in fact based on this book here you actually won. Why did you conceded so easily?
    2) If clinton could get impeached over a blowjob, why haven't you tried to impeach bush for his recklessness with respect to Iraq?
    3) Is the reason you conceded and won't push for impeachment because you two are members of skull and bones? (and thus by implication sworn to always support one another in all things)

    If he had let Kerry answer the first or second question, he would never have had a chance to ask his real question. Without the background of his first two points, the third question would have been meaningless.

    So the smartass response is to say, "well duh, he didn't get an answer this way either" but that should cause people to ask, "why?" It's easy to join the herd and denigrate the guy for getting worked up when they started hassling him (note he only got agitated at about 1 minute in when the female officer tried to pull him back and he shook her off). But time limits at political Q&A's are guidelines not rules. If you were asking an important question don't you think you would get agitated if someone cut you off and tried to haul you away in the middle of it? The alternative is that all questions are limited to sound-bites which, in my not so humble opinion, would be a terrible way to run a political Q&A. Perhaps you disagree.

    I'll take it one step further. If you believe in freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and the right to hold our politicians accountable, then his response was the right one. If he had not struggled or yelled, he would have been hauled off and locked up without a second of news coverage. That kind of thing happens all the time and usually the charges are dropped with a "no harm, no foul" kind of attitude.

    Except there is harm, harm to the political process. It's really not that much different from Bush's "free speech zones" - where you can have all the freedom of expression you want, but no one can hear you.

    George Bernard Shaw said, "Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men." It's important to remember that our founding fathers were unreasonable men. The ones who fought the British for independence were a minority of the population and much of the rest of populace wanted nothing to do with them, they were happy enough with the way things were and thought the likes of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin ought to just shut up and go the hell away.

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    He knew what he was doing and what was going to happen to him, (maybe not the tasering).

    He could have asked his real question without using the shock value questions. Reworded he could have had two questions answered.
    Like: Since you and Bush are members of skull and bones, is that the reason you conceded and didn’t push for President Bush’s impeachment for his recklessness with respect to Iraq. Then wait for the answer.


    To the tasering:
    It would have only taken one officer if he was not resisting.
    When he was being escorted out he was still OK, until he pulled away.
    He pulled away and put many people in the audience in Danger.
    You may say he was not dangerous, the officers wouldn’t know either way.
    Since HE pulled away it took it to the next level to where they put him down.
    Was tasering necessary? Maybe, maybe not, but he would Not have been tasered if he wasn’t resisting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Miller
    He knew what he was doing and what was going to happen to him, (maybe not the tasering).
    If he knew that he would be hauled off for talking too long, then more power to him. Arresting someone for asking a question that went beyond a sound-bite is not something that happens in a free country.

    He could have asked his real question without using the shock value questions. Reworded he could have had two questions answered.
    Like: Since you and Bush are members of skull and bones, is that the reason you conceded and didn’t push for President Bush’s impeachment for his recklessness with respect to Iraq. Then wait for the answer.
    So what, only politicians get to use rhetoric? "I don't like the way you asked that question" is just a hairsbreath away from "I don't like the question you asked." He did not insult Mr Kerry, nor did he threaten Mr Kerry. Anything beyond that should be fair game in a free country.

    he would Not have been tasered if he wasn’t resisting.
    And he would not have been resisting if they had not laid hands on him for talking too long.

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    When Kerry said "Its allright, I'll answer the question" They should have stopped.

    In my opinion that was giving him permission to stand for the answer.

    John C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotsauce
    When Kerry said "Its allright, I'll answer the question" They should have stopped.

    In my opinion that was giving him permission to stand for the answer.

    John C.
    CORRECTOMUNDO.

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    He got tazered for resisting,not for the questions. You couldn't pay me enough to be a cop now days. Way too many idiots out there.
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    I suggest the club put out a memorandom on how to check for exhaust leaks in your VX. Way too many people think this SOB deserves to do what he wants when he wants how he wants and everybody else should just sit there and take it.

    1st someone mentions time limits are a guideline and not a rule when doing Q&A. Except on talk shows time limits are defined and enforced. This gives more people a chance to ask their questions.

    The free speech argument is nuts. Everyone has a right to speak their own mind. The Constitution does not require Government or it's citizens to be a forced audience to a ranting lunatic. This Moron can arrange his own event and run them any way he likes. If he comes to someone elses event he must follow their rules.

    These wingnuts know that no one wants to listen to what they have to say that is why they are crashing other events and trying to force people to listen to their rantings.

    Your freedom of speech does not trump my right to ignore what you have to say nor to interefere with my freedom of speech when I am following the rules. This guy was warned many times and ignored the warnings. Frankly I think they should have zapped him again.

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