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Are you serious? If you didn't have a taser, you would have shot the guy? While he was face down with six people over him? You can't be serious.Originally Posted by Triathlete
Guess he was just misunderstood and a good spanking would have done the trick.
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The moral of the story is DON'T RESIST ARREST and you will not be tazered. With all the **** that has gone on ,they take no chances. The guy could have a gun,knife,bomb,or aids.People did not like being shot,they do not like pepper spray,and now they do not like the tazer.Make up your mind. The guy was clearly out of control. All he had to do was let them hand cuff him and we would not be having this discussion. Again ,ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS LET THEM HAND CUFF HIM. He was a idiot and got what he deserved. shawn
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I watched the clip a few times and frankly speaking, when a cop(s) drag you away and you give the slightest hint of pulling away, you are resisting. Resisting, by most police procedure, is most likely an open window to use restraining force. Lucky for him, I guess, getting tazed and pi55ing yourself is a lot better than getting physically handled. Years ago in my college years, I was "handled" by mutliple police officers for being stupid and I was quite unruly. I showed signs of my unruliness on my body for a week after. A tazer might have saved me all of that, heh. So ya, I say this guy was lucky.
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All they had to do is escort him out. He said repeatedly he'd leave if they got off him. Power-crazed rent-a-cop campus security... that is all. Even if he was "out of line" or over his time limit for questions. No reason for treating anyone (no matter how annoying) like this in "The Land of the Free".
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As a street cop here in Houston (for wayyyy tooo long) I'll give you my humble opinion on the video & the taser. I've watched most all of the youtube videos to try and get a different visual perspective. I've come to the conclusion that perhaps the campus police did over react based strictly on the video. However here are some thoughts to consider when passing final judgment on police actions.
First and foremost is you weren't there- and I mean right there on top of the guy trying to restrain him. It's often different than the scene actually appears. I have been bit, spit on, and threatened with all kinds of nasty transferable diseases when taking someone into custody. From as close as a few feet away you, the witness, cannot see someone preparing to set his molars and cuspeds into my wrist. The problem with this particular scenario is there appeared to be “too many cooks” trying to make the arrest. That many officers tend to get in each others way it appears that may have been a problem in this case.
The second consideration is use of force. I get no joy, bliss, or spiritual uplifting, in the use of force. In fact for all the years I’ve carried a taser on my belt I’ve never had to fire it. I’ve found the gun’s red laser sight on someone’s chest with an accompanying explanation of what might follow (aka- “ride the lightning”) is usually sufficient enough. But often times all the talk in the world cannot prevent physical interaction. Those are the bad days.
In the end it comes down to what Triathlete aptly said in the post above: my motto is I am going home at the end of the day in one piece.
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In the end it comes down to what Triathlete aptly said in the post above: my motto is I am going home at the end of the day in one piece.[/QUOTE]
AMEN! Maybe because I haven't seen You-Tube's versions, and I'm working off the local news coverage...What I saw was someone Yelling (not asking) accusatory questions, in a "machine gun" rapid fire sequence, not allowing for any sort of answer. Dude tried to answer...a few times, but junior was on a soapbox and was having none of it. He was at a fever pitch when he was told his time was up...he could have stepped down and it would have been over. Remember, this was a Q&A session not a public soapbox to stand and make statements. He probably could have gotten away with that, if he'd gone about it in a calm, rational manner...he was foaming at the mouth. I'm not a cop....hardlybut if I had to subdue someone all whacked out like that...I'm doing it the way that is quickest and involves my body the least. Deal with knuckleheads day in and day out, I think most would zap 'em pretty quickly, when the person in question is all aggitated. It will take the uncooperative out of you pretty quickly, after all....and all get to go home.
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I'd have to say you are completely wrong. Although your interpretation is far too common. The guy had a 3 step question where the first two questions were really rhetorical, just laying out the basis for his real question. Paraphrased it went like this:
1) The election was really close - in fact based on this book here you actually won. Why did you conceded so easily?
2) If clinton could get impeached over a blowjob, why haven't you tried to impeach bush for his recklessness with respect to Iraq?
3) Is the reason you conceded and won't push for impeachment because you two are members of skull and bones? (and thus by implication sworn to always support one another in all things)
If he had let Kerry answer the first or second question, he would never have had a chance to ask his real question. Without the background of his first two points, the third question would have been meaningless.
So the smartass response is to say, "well duh, he didn't get an answer this way either" but that should cause people to ask, "why?" It's easy to join the herd and denigrate the guy for getting worked up when they started hassling him (note he only got agitated at about 1 minute in when the female officer tried to pull him back and he shook her off). But time limits at political Q&A's are guidelines not rules. If you were asking an important question don't you think you would get agitated if someone cut you off and tried to haul you away in the middle of it? The alternative is that all questions are limited to sound-bites which, in my not so humble opinion, would be a terrible way to run a political Q&A. Perhaps you disagree.
I'll take it one step further. If you believe in freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and the right to hold our politicians accountable, then his response was the right one. If he had not struggled or yelled, he would have been hauled off and locked up without a second of news coverage. That kind of thing happens all the time and usually the charges are dropped with a "no harm, no foul" kind of attitude.
Except there is harm, harm to the political process. It's really not that much different from Bush's "free speech zones" - where you can have all the freedom of expression you want, but no one can hear you.
George Bernard Shaw said, "Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men." It's important to remember that our founding fathers were unreasonable men. The ones who fought the British for independence were a minority of the population and much of the rest of populace wanted nothing to do with them, they were happy enough with the way things were and thought the likes of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin ought to just shut up and go the hell away.
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After they tried to escort him out and he made the big fuss ,at that point it was too late. He went too far. They put him down and tried to cuff him. At this point he said let me go and I will leave. Well at this point that was not an option. He was told that and was told that they would tazer him if he did not stop. He went too far plain and simple. shawn
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Never said I'd shoot him. But you use the least amount of force necessary to get the job done. As Wormgod said, all he had to do was comply...very simple solution!
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Funny, what I read was you saying that the alternative was "[not living] to annoy another day." That does not sound like "the least amount of force necessary to me."
The thing about tasers is that they are "less lethal" not "non lethal" so getting an arm twisted may indeed be the preferred choice.
And of course all of this ignores the question of WTF are they doing arresting someone for speaking past the limit at a political rally. As if that doesn't happen all the time. Next time a presidential candidate goes over the limit in a debate will he get arrested?
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If the government hadn't made manufacturers liable when they use their products in an unintended manner odds are this dick would have taken himself out years by using his hair dryer in the shower or something equally moronic. Now I am not saying we should let the cops shoot morons like this but he is definately in the class of people I consider the world would be better off without. Other members Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Terrel Owens, Carrot Top, Andy Dick, Courtney Love. Basically the only useful thing this butthead is converting Oxygen into Carbon Dioxide.
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Now common you hate Dallas that much. T.O? Why?
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Because while he is a good athlete he is not anywhere near as great as he thinks he is. He is also a big whining crying baby except unlike him the babay will grow up. And it is never his fault when anything goes wrong and it is always because of him if things go well. BTW hated him long before he got to Dallas.
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His stats are quite great this year.
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