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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Harness
    What does everybody think of the God gene concept? I know I don't have it and where in the hell is God when you need him My eternal place
    I am sorry I have not heard of the God gene concept, but it sounds pretty stupid, but it is probably conceived through some people's "different" handling of Divine Knowledge that I do not agree with.

    But I can say that your question "where in the hell is God when you need him?" is a great logical question that I feel everyone that has even considered believing in a higher being should consider. Excuse me if I rephrase your quote wrong but for me when I ask that question it looks more like, "Why if there is an all knowing good Being that is in control do terrible things still happen?". To me this is a question I have wrestled with many times in my life, like when my mom was going in to have surgery to remove some cancerous parts of her body, or when I was lying in the ER at the Olympic Trials watching my dreams of competing for this great country be flushed down the drain while doctors talked about the possibilities of having to cut the staph infection out of my foot (aka amputate). These times I had to ponder your same question, "why?", "do I deserve this?", "do they deserve this?"? Any many familiar questions just like yours I have many times said "where are you God", "are you even there?" And my only consolation in these times is (apart from Romans 8:28) the thought that I am asking the question wrong. Instead of asking "Why do these terrible things still happen? Where are you God?" I now ask myself "How in the world could you (God) know what I thought yesterday, what I did last week, what I said years ago, what I will do tomorrow, how could you know all these things about me and not destroy me right now? How could you not come down and stop these mockeries of true life that are my short comings?" That to me is a better question because it puts me below God, it humbles me, it reminds me that I am not perfect, have not been perfect and will not be perfect but I am totally dependent on God for everything, even for peace in hard times. The other question "where are you, how could bad things happen if you exist?" These questions put man's situations above God Himself, as if the creator had to answer to the created. But I just wanted to let you know that I have wrestled with the same questions you have, I know what you mean totally. I know you might have asked this question as a joke, but I think it deserves more than just a glance.

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    What a massive non-answer. You are imperfect so you don't deserve an answer. Well, if I am imperfect whose fault is that? Supposed to be God's fault - if he gets the credit for creation, he gets the blame too. Any creed that teaches do as I say, not as I do, is bogus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyrreJ
    Any creed that teaches do as I say, not as I do, is bogus.
    That is why in the Christian Faith we do believe that God came to earth in the form of His Son Jesus Christ and did show us exactly how to live by living a perfect life.

    Remeber I am not trying to persuade you in anyway just trying to give my own point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyrreJ
    Well, if I am imperfect whose fault is that? Supposed to be God's fault - if he gets the credit for creation, he gets the blame too.
    I believe God created us just as we are because it is the best way for He Himself to be glorified, because we all will glorify Him one day depending on our respounce to His free gift of forgiveness for us, some will bow to their knees in judgement glorifying God's perfect justice, and some will bow to their knees in forgiveness glorifying God's perfect free gift of forgiveness.

    In my opinion if we were perfect robots that had no choice but to do good and accept God that would not glorify God at all, we would be forced to submit and there would be no choice, no glorification, just a well oiled machine doing it's preprogramed thing. But if we have a choice to reject Him and yet still desire to know Him, this glorifies Him, and if we have a choice to known Him yet choose not to His judgement still glorifies Him.

    Once again this is just my point of view I do not want to upset anyone, or try to tell someone they are wrong at all, just giving my point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBeast
    I am sorry I have not heard of the God gene concept, but it sounds pretty stupid, but it is probably conceived through some people's "different" handling of Divine Knowledge that I do not agree with.

    But I can say that your question "where in the hell is God when you need him?" is a great logical question that I feel everyone that has even considered believing in a higher being should consider. Excuse me if I rephrase your quote wrong but for me when I ask that question it looks more like, "Why if there is an all knowing good Being that is in control do terrible things still happen?". To me this is a question I have wrestled with many times in my life, like when my mom was going in to have surgery to remove some cancerous parts of her body, or when I was lying in the ER at the Olympic Trials watching my dreams of competing for this great country be flushed down the drain while doctors talked about the possibilities of having to cut the staph infection out of my foot (aka amputate). These times I had to ponder your same question, "why?", "do I deserve this?", "do they deserve this?"? Any many familiar questions just like yours I have many times said "where are you God", "are you even there?" And my only consolation in these times is (apart from Romans 8:28) the thought that I am asking the question wrong. Instead of asking "Why do these terrible things still happen? Where are you God?" I now ask myself "How in the world could you (God) know what I thought yesterday, what I did last week, what I said years ago, what I will do tomorrow, how could you know all these things about me and not destroy me right now? How could you not come down and stop these mockeries of true life that are my short comings?" That to me is a better question because it puts me below God, it humbles me, it reminds me that I am not perfect, have not been perfect and will not be perfect but I am totally dependent on God for everything, even for peace in hard times. The other question "where are you, how could bad things happen if you exist?" These questions put man's situations above God Himself, as if the creator had to answer to the created. But I just wanted to let you know that I have wrestled with the same questions you have, I know what you mean totally. I know you might have asked this question as a joke, but I think it deserves more than just a glance.
    Hi Ryan, the God gene theory is that true believers have a certain gene or that their brain is wired differently than that of non-believers.
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    A lot of people think that god (in any form you believe ) is there to do people personal favors, pretty narrow minded because what did you do to deserve his attention? Nowhere in any religion is stated that god takes care of us individually or even of humanity as a whole. We decide our own lives, we are no puppets on strings. God (if you believe in that concept)gave us live and will hopefully embrace us when when we leave.... The concept of god is hard to explain to those who not believe or not want to believe..but simply said it's a feeling that there is more than just us, it's a feeling that we are here for a reason, it's something which gives us hope, cause by believing we never really have to say goodbye to those dear to us and that counts for a lot.
    Unfortunately there are too many individuals who use the concept of religion for their own means, whether it's to wage wars or to discriminate a fellow human being.
    Religion is quiet beautiful, it gave us lots of culture in the form of churches and temples and not to forget music, it gives us a guide of how to live, love and die and it gives us hope and teaches us that we are just human beings no gods.
    People like islam extremist, child abusing priests, bible throwing churchgoers , anti-abortion(on religious reasons)supporters, a certain American president(God bless America is sentence which is used in vain, what did the US do to deserve god's blessing?), door ringing Jehova's, etc etc ruin and dirty this beautiful concept.

    Be a wise person and leave religion what it is, and if you feel intimidated or irritated by someone who announces his/belief , laugh it away,because the person who needs bible phrases to strengthen himself during a discussion is a religion polluter and is as far or further removed of the original concept as you are.

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    You are right Dutchie, technically, there is nothing "wrong" with religion. The teachings of most religions are meant to foster kindness, acceptance, forgiveness, love, and etc.

    The problem, which you aptly put, is that humans have become "religious polluters". People take the teachings of their respective religions and twist them and manipulate them for their own purposes, and take them much too literally, getting away from everything these lessons were meant to be.

    And this is the reason why people like me, and obviously people like Wasabi, understand that religion is one of the top driving forces behind the opposite of kindness, acceptance, forgiveness, love and etc. Religion only serves to foster hate, extremism, non-acceptance and inevitably war, death and destruction. This is the way it has been since the start of recorded history. So why then do sooooo many people, still adhere to something that is so obviously the cause of such worldwide chaos?

    Bart

    Quote Originally Posted by dutchie
    A lot of people think that god (in any form you believe ) is there to do people personal favors, pretty narrow minded because what did you do to deserve his attention? Nowhere in any religion is stated that god takes care of us individually or even of humanity as a whole. We decide our own lives, we are no puppets on strings. God (if you believe in that concept)gave us live and will hopefully embrace us when when we leave.... The concept of god is hard to explain to those who not believe or not want to believe..but simply said it's a feeling that there is more than just us, it's a feeling that we are here for a reason, it's something which gives us hope, cause by believing we never really have to say goodbye to those dear to us and that counts for a lot.
    Unfortunately there are too many individuals who use the concept of religion for their own means, whether it's to wage wars or to discriminate a fellow human being.
    Religion is quiet beautiful, it gave us lots of culture in the form of churches and temples and not to forget music, it gives us a guide of how to live, love and die and it gives us hope and teaches us that we are just human beings no gods.
    People like islam extremist, child abusing priests, bible throwing churchgoers , anti-abortion(on religious reasons)supporters, a certain American president(God bless America is sentence which is used in vain, what did the US do to deserve god's blessing?), door ringing Jehova's, etc etc ruin and dirty this beautiful concept.

    Be a wise person and leave religion what it is, and if you feel intimidated or irritated by someone who announces his/belief , laugh it away,because the person who needs bible phrases to strengthen himself during a discussion is a religion polluter and is as far or further removed of the original concept as you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
    You are right Dutchie, technically, there is nothing "wrong" with religion. The teachings of most religions are meant to foster kindness, acceptance, forgiveness, love, and etc.

    The problem, which you aptly put, is that humans have become "religious polluters". People take the teachings of their respective religions and twist them and manipulate them for their own purposes, and take them much too literally, getting away from everything these lessons were meant to be.

    And this is the reason why people like me, and obviously people like Wasabi, understand that religion is one of the top driving forces behind the opposite of kindness, acceptance, forgiveness, love and etc. Religion only serves to foster hate, extremism, non-acceptance and inevitably war, death and destruction. This is the way it has been since the start of recorded history. So why then do sooooo many people, still adhere to something that is so obviously the cause of such worldwide chaos?

    Bart
    One cannot judge religion by the worst of it's adherents who follow a perverted and twisted form of faith, but rather judge a person's actions by the ideals of the faith they adhere to. Nut jobs like those from al-Qaeda represent Islam as much as Hitler or Timmothy Mcvey may represent Christianity. But the point is that you cannot look at the worst and judge all religion by it. People like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, who were motivated by religion, made incredible achievements, the fruits of which we still enjoy even today. So while religion can be hijacked by extremists, the vast majority of Muslims, Jews, Chrisitians and people of other faiths have made great achievements while drawing inspiration from their faith.

    Similarly, remember that hundreds of millions who died in the past century died because of wars fought over secular idealogies such as nationalism (WWI), fascism (WWII), Communism, Imperialism, and Colonialism, all of which have nothing to do with religion. So looking only at religious extremism while ignoring everything else is unfair.
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    Man, I don't even know where to begin. How about this:

    -Don't confuse faith and religion. Faith cannot be proven, hence the name.

    -The concepts of Total Depravity and Free Will fall into the discussion of why bad things happend to good people, etc.

    -Not all faithful people are Republicans. Not all religious people are faithful.

    -Don't blame faith for the problems of Religious Fanaticism (from any group).

    -Not all Christians are Republicans.

    -Claire was hotter when she weighed a little more. Too skinny now.

    -I don't think the Mona Lisa is pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nater
    Man, I don't even know where to begin. How about this:

    -Don't confuse faith and religion. Faith cannot be proven, hence the name.

    -The concepts of Total Depravity and Free Will fall into the discussion of why bad things happend to good people, etc.

    -Not all faithful people are Republicans. Not all religious people are faithful.

    -Don't blame faith for the problems of Religious Fanaticism (from any group).

    -Not all Christians are Republicans.

    -Claire was hotter when she weighed a little more. Too skinny now.

    -I don't think the Mona Lisa is pretty.

    Nate
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    Quote Originally Posted by nater
    Man, I don't even know where to begin. How about this:

    -Don't confuse faith and religion. Faith cannot be proven, hence the name.

    -The concepts of Total Depravity and Free Will fall into the discussion of why bad things happend to good people, etc.

    -Not all faithful people are Republicans. Not all religious people are faithful.

    -Don't blame faith for the problems of Religious Fanaticism (from any group).

    -Not all Christians are Republicans.

    -Claire was hotter when she weighed a little more. Too skinny now.

    -I don't think the Mona Lisa is pretty.

    Nate
    And what kind of BK experience do you have?
    Sent from my "two hands on a keyboard"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZEUS
    And what kind of BK experience do you have?
    I find the king a little disturbing.

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    That reminds me, I need to pick up SNEAK KING for Xbox.

    No BK experience.

    No cladding. (Trooper).

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