How come Republicans hide being gay?

[JHarris1385]

What a lot of americans don't understand is that the rest of the world has been dealing with terrorism for centuries. For the most part they've figured out that terrorism is a crime, not a war. Our country's naivete is no excuse for reacting in such a poorly conceived fashion. Do we not fashion ourselves the greatest nation? Shouldn't that mean we have a responsibility to behave that way too? Doesn't that mean our leaders have a duty to lead responsibly rather then fuel the fires of fear and reactionism?

Attempting to justify such poor governance by claiming another country would do the same is absolutely beneath us. Are we leaders or are we followers?

You just will neverstand will you. I never denied the fact that other countries deal with terrorism. It is obivious that they do. But thanks for trying to make it sound like I have no clue. My statement was obviously pointing to the fact that when a nation is victim to such an act they will become a follower of thee. So I ask you this. If you were in office, what would your exact actions be? And please refrain from posting. " I certainly would not do this and that. Stuff that W has done." Really I am interested in the direction you would have taken our country if you were the leader. Take your time and think about it, dont just post a ignorant reply within 10 minutes.

...spell check was not used.

[JHarris1385]

Wasabi. Not sure if you have heard of them or what your taste in music is. But on a lighter note you should buy/download/borrow NoFX's cd "War on Errorism" It is a good listen and you would like the content.

...No harm intended in this message.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Wasabi. Not sure if you have heard of them or what your taste in music is. But on a lighter note you should buy/download/borrow NoFX's cd "War on Errorism" It is a good listen and you would like the content.

...No harm intended in this message.

I will take a listen, I like Nofx, and if your equally as open listen to nine inch nails " Year Zero" or watch the movie "V for Vendetta" ...you might find them interesting.

[JHarris1385]

I will take a listen, I like Nofx, and if your equally as open listen to nine inch nails " Year Zero" or watch the movie "V for Vendetta" ...you might find them interesting.

Heard both, like both. The NoFX cd is good. Fat Mike hates Bush to the extreme.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Heard both, like both. The NoFX cd is good. Fat Mike is hates Bush to the extreme.

See we CAN agree on some things!

[WyrreJ]

YMy statement was obviously pointing to the fact that when a nation is victim to such an act they will become a follower of thee.

I do not understand what you mean by "will become a follower of thee." Other countries have been dealing with terrorism for generations and have not gone out and started unprovoked wars in response.

If you were in office, what would your exact actions be?

1) Investment in infrastructure. Instead of ridiculous spending on "anti-terrorism" I would have ear-marked money for first responders like paramedics, police, fire-fighters and hospitals. Money for cities to develop emergency contingency plans. Investment in the kind of things that help with any sort of disaster be it man-made terrorism, man-made accidents or natural disasters.

2) Investment in people. Instead of funding the military-industrial complex to kill thousands of innocents and thus create more terrorists I would have invested in aid to the areas where terrorists find support. The invasion of afghanistan was a great start, get involved with the locals and give them good reason support us and not our enemies. The problem is we did not follow through. After accomplishing the headline news objective of toppling the taliban we bailed out. Leaving them to deal with a power vacuum of our own creation.

Iran was doing pretty well compared to previous decades, Khatami needed more support. Instead, the invasion of Iraq polarized opinion against the US and thus him and now the country has taken a major step backwards under Ahmadinejad.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Alright...
Much has been said in here, maybe too much. So I am gonna put in one last thought and be done.
I think religion and political affiliations are determined by two factors.
Location and parentage...
I am willing to bet Jharris and Indianavx both had fathers and mothers who were republican. I know for a fact they both live in the midwest in a fine state that is also mostly Republican.
I would also venture to guess( and please correct me if I am wrong)they had grandfathers and grandmothers who were also GOP.
I would also bet if they were both born and raised in Iraq,They might both be devout muslims and possibly insurgents, Burning American flags and shouting "Death to America" as loud as possible.
My point is I think where you live and what your parents believe greatly influences your own beliefs.
If I was born in India, I might be a hindu, and hate pakistanis.
If I were born in Mexico, I might be Catholic, and hate the INS.
If I were born in Germany in the 40's, I might hate jews.
I just think knowing that it is important to think outside the box, and question the beliefs you have been spoon fed since birth.
just my 2 cents.
Think about it..

[tomdietrying]

I couldn't agree more..................here's just another thought...............every year for as long as man kept recording tells us the apostolic is coming........Who's to say it hasn't already been faced by some cilizations. It could be argued by some Aztecs that it did happen in 1519, maybe it was in December 2004 when the tusnami hit, or perhaps to some Japanese it was in August 1945 when the the bomb fell.

It's a matter of perpective and not everyone perspective is the same. Give some thought.

Peace.
Tom

[JHarris1385]

Alright...
Much has been said in here, maybe too much. So I am gonna put in one last thought and be done.
I think religion and political affiliations are determined by two factors.
Location and parentage...
I am willing to bet Jharris and Indianavx both had fathers and mothers who were republican. I know for a fact they both live in the midwest in a fine state that is also mostly Republican.
I would also venture to guess( and please correct me if I am wrong)they had grandfathers and grandmothers who were also GOP.
I would also bet if they were both born and raised in Iraq,They might both be devout muslims and possibly insurgents, Burning American flags and shouting "Death to America" as loud as possible.
My point is I think where you live and what your parents believe greatly influences your own beliefs.
If I was born in India, I might be a hindu, and hate pakistanis.
If I were born in Mexico, I might be Catholic, and hate the INS.
If I were born in Germany in the 40's, I might hate jews.
I just think knowing that it is important to think outside the box, and question the beliefs you have been spoon fed since birth.
just my 2 cents.
Think about it..

Just when i thought it was going to end you posted this. First off Indiana is not majority republican. I live in one the most democratic counties in Indiana as well (Clark), see for yourself. True my dad is a republican but my grandparents are not. Actually they are strict liberals, and becuase so there was not any political talk at gatherings before they passed away. However my dad's father was the only republican out of the four and was a local and national figure. I certainly agree your almost born into a party, but through education you choose the party yourself. I think outside the box without a doubt, and it is just a coinsidence that we both live here in Indiana. Quite suprized there have been so many viewers and few to respond and stand up. I guess they realized long before I did that this fight was better left unfought since it has been a true waste of time.

[ZEUS]

It was not a complete waste of time. I had fun reading it - some of it got way too long winded then I got bored. Otherwise, like Chopper said, you get to learn more about the people here with threads like this.

[circmand]

I cant remember who said it but it goes like this; If you are a Republican before you are 30 you are uncaring of your fellow man but if you are Democratic after you are 30 you are an idiot. The idea is when you are under 30 you do not have a lot and are open to the idea of everyone sharing because you are likely to end up with more, but after 30 years you mostly have worked hard and started getting some stuff so the idea of giving some of it up to someone who hasn't is not as attractive.

Just like you see Osama Bin Laderhosen calling for Muslims to blow themselves up you do not see him doing it

Just like we all have heard John Lennon singing for everybody to share and get along most of his wealth ended up in Yoko or Seans hands.

Now many here think George W is the first person to start a war or that the Middle East was all peaceful and happy before we attacked Iraq. Well that isn't true or old Bill Clinton would not have ever negotiated ever lasting peace in the Middle East about 6 times during the 8 years he was in charge. I seem to remember he started the war in Afghanistan and used up all of our smart bombs without ever arranging to build more. As a matter of fact he had the military bomb the Chinese Embassy and a milk factory and an aspirin plant and turned down India when they offered us Bin Laden when we accused him of the first Trade Center bombing.

Now old GW he has made more mistakes than a cow has nipples over the War in Iraq but only one Senator voted against giving him the power to do so. And quite frankly I do not beleive the Democrats who say yeah we voted for it but we did not expect him to do it. They are either lieing or they thought he would not do it and they could use that as proof that they were strong on National Defense and the Republicans are weak.

It astounds me that the Democrats are constantly saying on one hand he is doing all this stuff and fooling them and such but on the other hand saying he is an idiot. Well if he is an idiot what does that say about the Democrats who have been consistantly fooled by him for the last 6 years?

All politicians suck and anyone who beleives one side over the other is such a moron thatthey should not be allowed to vote.

[Zorak]

I cant remember who said it but it goes like this; If you are a Republican before you are 30 you are uncaring of your fellow man but if you are Democratic after you are 30 you are an idiot..

Actually, it is: if you are a Republican before you are 30, you have no heart, and if you are a Democrat after you turn 30, you have no brain.



[/QUOTE]All politicians suck and anyone who beleives one side over the other is such a moron thatthey should not be allowed to vote.[/QUOTE]

lol-if one did not believe one side over the other then they wouldn't know who to vote for anyway and probably wouldn't. I follow the lesser of two (or sometimes three) evils philosophy myself

[ZEUS]

lol-if one did not believe one side over the other then they wouldn't know who to vote for anyway and probably wouldn't. I follow the lesser of two (or sometimes three) evils philosophy myself

I voted for Nader last time around... some may laugh and say I threw away my vote. That's fine, but I think voting for either of the two "elite idiots" in '04 was pretty much throwing your vote away anyway! Things would be just as screwed up had Kerry won the election... maybe in different ways but still screwed up. I wonder how many times he would have brought troops home and sent them back again, then brought them home, then sent them back again...

But I voted for Nader, because of the 3 reasons to run for President (my view anyway), I think he represents the greater cause first:
Clinton = Power then duty
Bush = Greed, Power, Duty (as in revenge in his case - he was eyeing Iraq and "WMD" before he was even elected)
Kerry = I don't even think HE settled on why he wanted to run!
Nader = Duty - The guy knows he is not going to win, but he keeps running for Pres. to show people they don't have to be limited to the lesser of two evils. So my vote was for the hope of a greater future; a multi-party government. Face it, we were in trouble no matter what, during that election and the last couple years! No matter who would have ended up in office, we would be hurting right now.
But I probably would have voted for Dean had he not been shot down for being so energized and passionate.

[WyrreJ]

The quotation is:

If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.

It's actually a misquote misattributed to Winston Churchill.

it's also a load of bullsheet. It presumes that people are solely the product of their experience, that they are unable to reason there way to an understanding of a situation outside of their own. Sure, lots of people really are the self-centered, but that's hardly an ideal.

Just like you see Osama Bin Laderhosen calling for Muslims to blow themselves up you do not see him doing it

And Al Gore flying in private jets and riding in limos when calling for people to conserve energy.
Or George Bush declaring war but never firing a single shot with his own hands.

Now many here think George W is the first person to start a war or that the Middle East was all peaceful and happy before we attacked Iraq.

Yeah, MANY people here think that.

Now old GW he has made more mistakes than a cow has nipples over the War in Iraq but only one Senator voted against giving him the power to do so. And quite frankly I do not beleive the Democrats who say yeah we voted for it but we did not expect him to do it. They are either lieing or they thought he would not do it and they could use that as proof that they were strong on National Defense and the Republicans are weak.

One thing the democrats have failed at and failed miserably is in their role as the loyal opposition. When they were a minority they just went along when they could have least done the "bully pulpit" thing and now that they have a majority in congress they best they can do is the occasional token resistance.

[nfpgasmask]

Question everything you know!

That is the one thing that "faithful" people of any denomination typically do not do my friend, but I most certainly agree that they should.

I was raised Catholic, went to 6 years of Catholic school in fact, but it is because I have always asked "who are you to tell me what is true and what is not", that lead me to think the way I do now. Some people just choose to eat the mush on the end of the spoon, but some people spit it out after a while and ask to try something different.

Bart

Alright...
Much has been said in here, maybe too much. So I am gonna put in one last thought and be done.
I think religion and political affiliations are determined by two factors.
Location and parentage...
I am willing to bet Jharris and Indianavx both had fathers and mothers who were republican. I know for a fact they both live in the midwest in a fine state that is also mostly Republican.
I would also venture to guess( and please correct me if I am wrong)they had grandfathers and grandmothers who were also GOP.
I would also bet if they were both born and raised in Iraq,They might both be devout muslims and possibly insurgents, Burning American flags and shouting "Death to America" as loud as possible.
My point is I think where you live and what your parents believe greatly influences your own beliefs.
If I was born in India, I might be a hindu, and hate pakistanis.
If I were born in Mexico, I might be Catholic, and hate the INS.
If I were born in Germany in the 40's, I might hate jews.
I just think knowing that it is important to think outside the box, and question the beliefs you have been spoon fed since birth.
just my 2 cents.
Think about it..