I always assumed this to be a free and open forum, based loosely around the fact we all own the same car. Some have been here six or seven years, and frankly we've said about all there is to say about cladding slicker. i've learned much more about my fellow VXers through topics like this, than all the "clean my stupid EGR" posts combined. They're a pretty easy goung bunch, and I've become quite fond of some of the members of my electronic family. There's plenty of room here for any discussion...no censorship...keep it open. Wayne