Ron??

[rocket man]

Opp's I mean't "PUBLIC FORUM" Freudian slip I guess

[WormGod]

What are you, "WORM", his fricken business manager??


Good then you contact him.. ..and YES you are defending him on an issue that is indefensable...There appears to be two very understanding people at this site who have been gently requesting for months now that he fullfil his committment and that have given "RON" nearly $2K in pre-paid orders.

So genius, you tell me..what's the difference between what Ron did, and buying a "$2k Plasma TV" on E-bay and never getting the TV???.....I suggest you show empathy for the 2 guys on this site who have , so far, been screwed.

His one lone email in July of 07, while contrite in nature, reads like a "farewell" to me, and so far that has been the case.

I have no idea what, "personal problems" RON has...but nobody on this site seems to be able to contact him. Hence, it would seem only natural, in the absense of any other way, to reach him other than at this "pubic" forum.

He took an order apparently almost 1 1/2 years ago. No this is not a "high schooler's discussion. In high school you do this and you appear before a juvenile judge, you get summary probation and your mommy pays off the debt you owe...But he's playing with the "big dogs" now. And since this may be a "mail order fraud issue" this might cross over into a Federal court.

I hope he reads this and steps up to the plate and delivers on his promise or pays the dough back to the people he took it from....THAT'S ALL...END OF DISCUSSION

Well then, put up or shut up then, because a Big Dog wouldn't whine about it on a forum. He would do just what you keep threatening to do.

I am sympathetic for the issue some folks here are dealing with, and I think it would be far more productive to turn the insults and E-rage into tracking him down and/or taking action. And no, I am not defending him. What he is doing is disrespectful to those who sent money his way and are now in the dark. After 1 1/2 years, you are entitled to take action, so do so. Contact PayPal or whoever it is that you conducted your transaction with.

I am just trying to give you all the proper nudge to stop b|tching and do something about it. I am glad to see you mad. I hope I made you angry enough to finally do so. Thank me later.

[JHarris1385]

I am pretty sure they came here for support and guidance in the form of someone that may be able to contact him.

[VXIRONwoMAN]

I feel like I am reading a daytime talk show...

Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry!

On another note... I hope Ron comes through. I know Petos is leaving the states soon and probably for the permanent. So unless Ron will ship it internationally (for free), Petos may have some serious issues to resolve; and it's not his fault. I feel for the clients of Ron. They shouldn't be waiting like this for something they purchased already. He does not seem very professional to me. Whether you have a legitimate business or just do it on the side... when someone buys a service or product from you, you give them what they were promised in a timely matter. It's common courtesy and good business. He lacks in both departments. I do not know him personally, and I have heard great things about his work. But no matter how great you can do your job or how wonderful your work is, it is absolutely worthless if you can't committ. I am HUGE on customer service; and if you have the best product on the market, but crappy service, I will find someone else to do business with. Even if it means paying more, or a farther drive. To me it is worth it to go to the better business and feel taken care of. Sorry for the rant... I feel really bad for all of Ron's clients. I've been cheated from a business before, so I know how they feel.

Good luck.

[Joe Isuzu]

I'm with VX IronWoman on this. She said it very well. I don't have a dog in the fight, but Chopper was on the money with these customers being more patient than I would have been. If personal issues were impacting his ability to provide a service, the customers should have their money refunded, no questions asked. If the customer chose to wait it out instead, that would be their choice. It's an unfortunate situation all around as I don't want people to think we're ganging up on this guy in light of whatever his personal problems are. However, regardless of what the issues were, he should not have taken the money and let this much time elapse w/o doing anything, much less responding to concerns voiced by his own customers.

[rocket man]

Worm, take the time to re-read my posts....

Where in them do I claim to have an order that was given to RON. Or that he had not delivered on an order? Perhaps, you should take a course, in English comprehension or is English your second language? For some reason, you have taken a mere opinion and launched your own crusade in defense of RON.

Starting in the beginning:

Back on July 30, 07 you stated, "Ya, Ron posts every now an then stating he does what ha(sic) can as fast as he can but asks for our patience since all this stuff is done in his spare time. Sometimes waiting is fun. but we are lucky enough to have someone like Ron who offer aftermarket products since nobody else does. Hang in there, Ron will come through..

Maybe it is that you don't see that there has been a crime committed here?

The original post by "Petos" on July 28,07 requested, in part, information about RON's present whereabouts. Also on July 30, 07 the same day you made your post. Miraculously and by some sheer coincidence, that very same day Ron posts on this thread with the following, "Hi Folks, I've just been informed of the recent concern about my whereabouts on this forum etc. etc. (underlined for emphasis) Of course the letter goes on to apologize and promise delivery in a few weeks etc. But, nowhere, in his post is there an indication of how to make contact with him. But it appears abundantly clear to me someone at this site, "informed" him of this thread.

Is it a correct assumption on my part that you were the one who advised him of this thread? I suspect its so because you so vehemently attacked me for my "hood talk" post..and defended him like he was a bro'. Is he? And if it is true that you were the one that "informed" Ron, then why did you not just give Petos a method for him to make contact? Then if you didn't then of course somedody else here did...Don't you think?

Just wondering there...that's all

BTW: After you insinuated I was a high schooler on MySpace (which made me smile BTW, not mad) I may have segued in a confusing way. What I meant to say was that this matter involving Ron, is not a high schooler (juvenile) matter and I wanted to illustrate (maybe incorrectly) that he is an adult and thus he would be tried in this state, in the regular Superior Court criminal system, that is however, if he doesn't graduate over to a Federal court (aka Big Dogs) This may be a big dog issue as it involves interstate commerce. That's all I was trying to say....No E-rage, I'm not stickin of pins into dolls with Ron's likenness, I didn't even kick the dog!!

You see Mr. Worm, I have been knocking around the Ca. court system since 1979 and while it exclusively involves civil litigations (what I actually do is unimportant, but I'am not a judge or an attorney) I have in that time seen it all. Your remarks and excusing Ron because of "personal issues" is like squeaking chalk or fingernails on a blackboard to me. Pure and simple its just plan LAME. Yes, it is an outrage to read a thread like Petros. What Ron did was an "outrage" but I was not outraged. When I first read "Petros" post I wondered how he must feel, I thought like, probably the way I feel when I put money in a coffee machine and the coffees come out but the cup doesn't drop or the paper machine cover stays shut after you put the quarters(your last 2) in. You stand there with that "robbed" feeling.... its a helpless feeling being mugged like that. Then you could start rationalizing by thinking, "Well it coulda been worse!! I coulda been in a desperate state and this happened in front of a pay toilet! But we are not talking about two quarters here we talkin bout $2K!

As for, "put up or shut up" I'll shut up because its not my "dog fight". I was not a victim here...and I guess some of you have never been a victim...so I suggest you wait until the day you are, and then lend an opinion about the person that "gottcha good"...and rationalize it by saying, "He musta had personal problems"

I hope somebody can help these people..

As for the "hood talk" on my first message, to all of those who deem Ron disrespected....Sorry, but that's where I'm from....The "Hood"....how else I'm I supposed to talk? I grew up at 537 W. 83rd Street, LA Ca. Google it!

As for you WORM...I'm done, its over..Your not going to smoke me out anymore..Your even welcome to come my way for a visit and if you run into Ron bring him too. Then we'll play this game like in the movie, "Naked Prey" he can play Cornell Wilde's part..... I apologize for that, just kidding. Im a law abiding citizen now...Seriously Worm lets end it... we are overshadowing the meaning behind this thread..

He might even contact them, you never know..Maybe you might still be able to reach him some way. If he doesn't have the money...he can always arrange to make payments

I'm standing down now

John

[VXIRONwoMAN]

WormGod and Rocket Man... I think you need to take your personal affairs into the PM section of this forum; because you seriously hi jacked this thread... I believe you both owe an apology to all those who are trying to get in touch with Ron or figure out a way to solve their problems with him, because your words in this thread did not help them in any manner. If anything, you are going to make those who are looking for help feel bad about posting because they appear to be causing animosity amongst members.

[Solitude]

I am not gonna jump into the middle of the disagreement.. Just make a small suggestion..

The websight that is still up and running.. should be removed from this site so no one else has the problems that have already occurred...

I am not sure if Anita can do this or not.. and if not.. then I think this thread should remain active so others don't get disappointed the way the other 2 have been disappointed..

Jeff

[rocket man]

Okay, briefly.......

OKAY I APOLOGIZE FOR HI-JACKING THIS POST. I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT....ITS OKAY FOR PEOPLE TO SCREW PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE AND IF YOU SPEAK UP AGAINST IT, SOME PEOPLE WILL JUMP YOU FOR IT.....SO I APOLOGIZE TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT JUMPED ME FOR IT........... ALSO....LETS SEE WHO ELSE??????

AND I ALSO I NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THOSE MEMBERS THAT I MAY HAVE OFFENDED WITH MY "HOOD TALK"....K....I HAVE TRIED TO CLEAN MY ACT UP IN THAT DEPARTMENT...I GOT OUT OF THE GHETTO AT 15 YEARS OLD AND I'AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER LOOKED BACK, EXCEPT MAYBE FOR THIS SLIGHT REGRESSION IN THAT POST. MIND YOU, I DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY THOUGHTS. I GATHER AND PROCESS EVERYTHING FROM A "HOOD" PROSPECTIVE, I CAN'T HELP IT! SO... I STILL THINK HE IS WHAT IS.....PLAIN AND SIMPLE.... HE IS A PREDATOR. IS IT ONLY ME WHO SEES THAT?? BUT I GUESS, HE IS WELL LIKED HERE. SO HOW CAN YOU FIGHT POPULARITY? ITS A SAD COMMENT ABOUT HUMAN NATURE ISN'T IT?

ANYWAY NUF OF THAT......LET'S SEE

DID I COVER EVERYBODY AND EVERTHING FOR YOU CECE?? SORRY I STEPPED ON YOUR BELIEF THAT THIS IS A "CUM BA YA " WEBSITE...SO DID I ACTUALLY.....SILLY ME...SILLY US!

ANYWAY SORRY GUYS...CAVIET EMPTOR!

JOHN

[Ldub]

Uhhhh...why is the bailiff yelling?

We can all read the small print just fine.

[Anita]

The original post by "Petos" on July 28,07 requested, in part, information about RON's present whereabouts. Also on July 30, 07 the same day you made your post. Miraculously and by some sheer coincidence, that very same day Ron posts on this thread with the following, "Hi Folks, I've just been informed of the recent concern about my whereabouts on this forum etc. etc. (underlined for emphasis) Of course the letter goes on to apologize and promise delivery in a few weeks etc. But, nowhere, in his post is there an indication of how to make contact with him. But it appears abundantly clear to me someone at this site, "informed" him of this thread.

Is it a correct assumption on my part that you were the one who advised him of this thread? I suspect its so because you so vehemently attacked me for my "hood talk" post..and defended him like he was a bro'. Is he? And if it is true that you were the one that "informed" Ron, then why did you not just give Petos a method for him to make contact? Then if you didn't then of course somedody else here did...Don't you think?

That particular insinuation aimed at Wormgod was unfortunate and wrong. It was I who contacted Ron. Guys, please dont fight.

[VXIRONwoMAN]

Uhhhh...why is the bailiff yelling?

We can all read the small print just fine.

Once again... you are the BEST!!!

[WormGod]

That particular insinuation aimed at Wormgod was unfortunate and wrong. It was I who contacted Ron. Guys, please dont fight.

I have no contacts with Ron other than what folks here may have had.

And rocketman, I am not here to fight. But, after seeing threads like this get pop up and go on and on, I find that people who are directly affected need to take action. I had dealings with Ron in the past and many consisted of being quite patient. However, Ron always came through, "for me". Perhaps in a better time in Ron's life, when he had more time for crafting.

Yes, my manner of entering the thread was bold and intimidating, but I also realize sometimes people need that iron fist standing behind them to take a hesitant step forward and take more action. My approach was clearly misunderstood and I should have been approached from a better angle on my part, or not at all. Apologies if that was the case. I care not to share just how difficult my life was growing up as that does not affect how I conduct things in my life as an adult, though, it does not change the fact that the matter at hand is about Ron and what can be done.

Apologies to all for the public pissing match. I have no open orders to Ron, but I did send a couple emails from multiple computers to see if I could get a hold of him, though, I only have the listed emails you all already have, I am sure. No response, yet, so at least know that I am trying to help those that are looking for answers and I am not simply here looking to piss on any parades.

[Petos]

Guys, I am keeping my fingers crossed, but I think I will be getting the parts shortly..
Thanks again for your support and help (except for that comment about me "whining about my problem on a forum" :nor!
hope to see you in Moab soon! I will hopefully have those skidplates on my VX by then

[Ldub]

Guys, I am keeping my fingers crossed, but I think I will be getting the parts shortly..
Thanks again for your support and help (except for that comment about me "whining about my problem on a forum" :nor!
hope to see you in Moab soon! I will hopefully have those skidplates on my VX by then

Petos my friend, I hope you're right.

But if it was me...I'd leave them off until after Moab.

I don't even leave my front licence plate on in Moab.