no more EGR ??

[orion]

Can our 3.5s live happily without the EGR and the holes capped off? i know all about the emissions concerns, but we don't get tested here. i had an AMC eagle with idle problems, removed and capped the EGR and she ran great for years. with it being a problem spot for us, i thought just remove it. or maybe i'm just crazy? please help.

[Hotsauce]

try it unplugged and see.

John C.

[Tobert]

For one thing, your check engine light will always be on, so it won't be able to alert you to any new problems that may arise.

There is also the potential that not having EGR for a long period of time could put your engine outside of the operating parameters it was designed for. This could be something as simple as running lean on the freeway for a couple hours and burning a valve. It could do nothing. For this engine, which was designed with EGR in mind, I would leave it on there. That's coming from a guy who is also in a non-emissions state and have run vehicles without catalytic converters or emissions pumps.

[mbeach]

I'd have to check to be sure, but the addition of the exhaust gas to the intake tract also helps to keep cylinder temperatures lower. This could be a matter of keeping the miture from becoming too lean, or it could be something else.

I say keep your nuts tight and leave the EGR valve in place.

[Joe_Black]

I would be hesitant to remove it because, as mentioned above, our engine was deveolped to have an EGR system from the outset rather than added on to meet some Federal mandate. Even in other nations with different emission requirements the 6VE1 still has the EGR system, which IIRC complements the variable-length intake runner design.

Of course we're always interested in the results if you're willing to become the guinea pig.

[orion]

Thanks you guys for the feedback. i think I'll be a good boy and leave it alone.

[mbeach]

The EGR valve is closed during idle and full throttle operation -so I could see where you'd want to remove it to improve performance. However, its benefits would be outweighed by all of the problems that would arise during its absence.

[bulldog]

So could my EGR be bad then? its giving me a reading of too lean and my check engine light is on and its running rough and sometimes even stalling,,I have no idea how to fix that

[mbeach]

Clean it out and see...
There's a dozen reasons why you could be running lean -a stuck (open) EGR would only be one of them. How's it run at cruising speed?


It looks like you are looking for some (musical) gigs -what do you play? I used to be a (fairly) well-respected bouncer at the Frog, Bear and Wild Boar Bar -maybe I could call the guys and put in a word for you..?

[thedutchguy]

don't forget that the egr is there for reducing nox in your exhaust gasses by reducing your combustion temperature!

[bulldog]

that would be awesome if i could play there,,ive already played at Kafe Kerouac and Thirsty Ear here in columbus,,i used to play all over Dayton and other places,, just trying to break into the market here,,thanks mbeach I would appreciate that,,,if you can give me an email address that would be even better and then i can forward my electronic press kit to them www.sonicbids.com/darrenjones

at cruising speed it runs fine thats why i cant figure it out and ive already cleaned the egr

[mbeach]

The FBWB's GM is now part owner of the Skyy Bar (his name is Dave Allsbrooks). I don't know who took over his position, but it's likely to be someone who's been there for awhile. There are 3 owners, but they have little to do with talent selection. They are all good people. If you get in with that crowd, all of Columbus is open to you...
The bar hired a new marketing guy (despite the fact that two of their employees/bartenders have marketing degrees) -he's a tool, and responsible for bringing B. Honest into the club on my last night (a year ago). They (B. Honest) honestly sucked. He might've been let go since then...
Go to frogbearbar.com for instructions on how to submit a demo tape. They might be able to slot you in a solo night (maybe a Wednesday) on the patio.
Find out who will be reviewing your tape and let me know who it is. I've been meaning to call those guys (and girls mmmmm.... the girls....) and say hello.
Either way, tell anyone/everyone that I (Marlon Beach) recommended you -tell them how you know me, and how to get in touch with me. It's a good place to work, and there's surprisingly little turnover considering the business. Someone is bound to remember me.
They get literally hundreds of submissions a month -you have to stand out or know someone to get in.

As for your EGR, I'm stumped.

[-x-]

my egr either went bad or got stuck and threw a code. after a healthy tune up i realized that the egr was the main cause of my horrific idleing, seeing as to how i didnt have 150-180 buck laying around but i did have a metal plate i decided to block off the egr = ) man does it run smooth. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS GOOD FOR THE ENGINE but it does get up to speed VERY smoothly more so than before i have been planning to unblock it again and see if it was jus stuck but yea that the long and short of it its been about a month now still running strong yes the code stays on no i have checked to veify its only the egr code throwing the check engin light, hmmm maybe something to do this weekend on top of the other 500 things to do on my limited time off ; )

[mbeach]

So from your description, it sounds like your EGR was stuck open -it was recirculating exhaust gasses at idle (bad).

Does someone sell and EGR rebuild kit if your EGR valve is too far gone to simply clean?

[Jolly Roger VX'er]

correct me if I'm wrong; but, couldn't one if one so desired block off the egr where the inlet pipe bolts up to the engine (exhaust). Also, one could use the egr gasket as a template and make a tin blocking plate to be placed directly under the egr itself.

this would not only block the egr from functioning, but also leave it in place for show (where visual inspection dictates a egr to be seen) and leave the electrical harness connected so that a check engine light wouldn't be on for a disconnected harness?

****not condoning this act nor have I tried it myself...just bored and doing waaaaay to much devious thinking.

****also not sure what effect higher cylinder temps would have on oil usage for your particular engine!

The thoughts of a Supercharged engine w/cold air intake providing a completely fresh air/fuel mixture to the cylinders devoid of reburnt exhaust sounds yummie!