timing belt jumped

[IndianaVX]

ok, i am at a loss of words.
Ive got a good mechanic working on the vx, he really is. has worked on my stuff for over 10 years.
BUT, hes having a heck of a time with the timing issue. I have given him the post from here. he has the same service bullitins. lines everything up proper, and then it wont start, or runs poorly.
He is complaining that what isuzu has printed is wrong(which ive read here too) and thinks that the problem is in the translation. he mentioned that he has the same problem with hondas, and other foreign makes.
hes done compression check, leak down, passed well within specs.

IM REALLY NEEDING SOME HELP.

it seems everyone has had this same problem. i have searched the threads, given him everything i have printed out on others attempts. (man, im getting a headache)

is there anything you all can think of that i can relay back to him that he might be missing? is it that easy to be out 180 degrees? he has oem belt.
if the cams WERE turned individually, and things got out of whack, man, im typing out loud, and cant even finish a thought.

am i correct in saying that the procedure on tones cd is wrong also? (no fault of tones)

I was joking about taking the shilloette to badlands, but im thinking i better call oldsmobile, and get that 3" lift and some terra grapplers for it.
Im sorry guys to have to ask, but can you scratch you heads a little more for me, and come up with some suggestions?
its gotta be just one of those small things that are head bangers, then, BAM the light comes on.
sorry to ramble so long

i gotta get an asprin or two..........

thank you all, really, thank you!!

david

[kpaske]

David,

So sorry I didn't get to this sooner. I've just started a new job, so I've been really busy and haven't been online in over a week. I went through the same B.S. when I tried to replace my own timing belt a while back so I know what you're going through.

The bottom line is, the Isuzu manuals are wrong. The TSB# IB00-S005 explains the correct procedure and I've uploaded the scanned images into my gallery. I hope this helps. Please send me an e-mail (not a PM!) if you have any other questions that I can help you with.

Kyle

[IndianaVX]

well, i STILL dont have my vx back....this is getting old.
my question for today, or tonight, is this.
if the timing is set wrong, or the cams are not turned till they "snap" into place, and then the belt is installed, and then the engine is fired up in this condition.....is there any chance of valves kissing or getting bent???
i dont know if something has happened while the mechanic has tested, and they dont want to tell me, which, i wouldnt think they would do that.....ive been dealing with this guy for years, but i did find out that its the "new guy" thats working on my rig. i told the secretary that i wasnt real happy about that. i brought it to them for terry to work on....terry is who has done all my work in the past, and he has done it well. she assured me that this new guy is qualified, and terry is activly involved, which is good.
BUT how screwed up can things be after two weeks of trying to set the timing on a 6VE1 engine, and me giving them service bullitins, and even a very detailed instruction given to me by a VERY QUALIFIED ISUZU SPECIALIST.... this is what is making me loose sleep....seriously. i have spent 300 bucks on gas in two weeks driving my g20
van. which was supposed to go towards my repair bill (whatever warranty doesnt cover) which brings me to another sleep looser......warranty isnt going to cover the time they have taken.....im sure warranty co has a set number of hours they figure for timing belt replacement, and this guy is working on and off for 3 weeks putting a timing belt on......thats gonna come out of MY pocket....which i am hoping they treat me well, and not charge me for all those hours......(here comes the headache again)
im starting to think im not gonna have the vx for the badlands meet
theres gotta be a joke in all this somewhere....How many mechanics does it take to change a timing belt???
sorry to whine and moan...
any response to my questions???

trying to stay positive

david

[IndianaVX]

OH, i almost forgot,
thank you kyle for the tsb. it WASNT the same one they had, so.........who knows..
also congrads on the new job. I hope its something you were looking for and will bring you happiness and riches, and its something you enjoy doing.
thanks for your help..

and another thank you to Ldub. thanks for the "email"
david

[Ldub]

and another thank you to Ldub. thanks for the "email"
david

No problem, I just hope your mechanic gets this resolved & you're able to hit the trails with the gang this weekend...I was kidding when I said that Silouettes RULE off-road.

[IndianaVX]

***UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE ***
good news....kinda, but more bad.
good news is this, my mechanic found out the problem, which is the pin that holds the cam gear to the cam shaft broke, which allowed the cam to spin 180 degrees from where it should be. which explains why when everything was lined up on the marks, it still wouldnt run right, because the driverside cam was 180 degrees from where it should be.
another issue was the the bearing surface between the back driverside lobes was rough and scarred due to oiling problem. i havent looked yet, but i think this is a problem that others have had with the engine failure....or maybe it was the back driverside piston.
more good news is that cam, and other related failures are covered on my warranty, (from reading the brochure, havent talked to a rep yet) so thats good too.
bad news is, its already been two months already, and it looks like its going to be atleast a few more weeks before i will get it back.
my mechanic said he is looking at very least, getting a new head, and maybe a new engine. he said also that some warranty companys will replace the engine with used engines, instead of new ones. i told him to push for as much new stuff as he could, obviously.
soooooo, im sure i will be talking to merlin here pretty soon..
wish me luck, and thanks again for all the help.
if nothing else, i got an excellent write up on how to install a timing belt from a very qualified isuzu person, which i will post up soon.

thanks again peeps,

david

[IndianaVX]

also, a little "testemony"
im a praying kinda guy anyway, but its not often that i talk to God about the mechanics of an isuzu 6VE1 DOHc engine........but i did last night, asking him to help my mechanic find out what the problem was.
the shop opens at 800am. i had a phone call at 810am thismorning with terry, (my mechanic) saying " dave, i found out what the problem is, can you stop by, and ill show you what is going on..."

it seems that so often in our lives, when things are going rotten, we try, and we try to resolve them ourselves, and use prayer as a last resort, almost saying "well, ive tried everything else" instead of praying as soon as a problem starts up.

if you are going thru something in your life, let God know about it, yeah, hes got his own sense of time, and the answer my not be immediate, but that doesnt mean he's not listening and ready to help!

God is good, REAL good,

david

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