timing belt jumped

[Y33TREKker]

Glad to hear you're back on the road Indiana. I sometimes wonder what my decision would be if my VX developed a similar serious problem, fix or sell, but overall I believe that a brief period of frustration wouldn't be enough to make me let go of such a unique vehicle.

[Ldub]

FINALLY !!!...I'm happy for you David, & pretty sure you'll find it was worth the wait.

I'm spending the day under "her highness"...I got up the ambition to drop the tranny pan & put in a new filter & fluid etc. Sure is a hot one out there.

[IndianaVX]

ARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!
THE SAGA CONTINUES........
on the way to the shop to take care of these codes ive been throwing, i accelerated just to see what the vx would do today, and it sounded like it went completely out of time again.......i barely hit 20 mph, and when i came up on a hill, the engine was making a dreaded knocking sound....... but once i got to the shops parking lot, at idle, i couldnt hear any knock, and it reved alright..........who knows????

the most irritating thing about all this is my peace of mind is shattered. i will never be able to hop in the vx again and feel secure. with the comprimised head, the chepo plugs they put in there, and who knows what else, im just afraid that now everytime i drive it, any little ping or tick, im gonna be freaking out about it.

i apologize for the open forum venting, and ranting, but my kids dont really get it, and my wife just knows im disgusted,

i know you all understand what we are dealing with in keeping these trucks on the road and in good shape.
i appreciate this great forum, and the help and understanding it provides.
you know ill keep you posted.....as for noww, the vx is in the shop again, and it may be a while before i get it back..

take care of yourselves, and your vx's!!!!

david

[IndianaVX]

here is the latest,

my o2 sensor #1 left bank is bad, and my catalitic converter is toast. the shop told me that with the truck running the way it was, it was dumping too much fuel, and burned the thing up
but if it was dumping too much fuel, then why was the code reading "lean fuel on acceleration"????
something doesnt sound right, and me owning a vehicross is starting to not sound right either.......
i dont think warranty company is gonna cover any of these two items, merlin quoted me 798.15 for the converter, and 103.58 for the 02 sensor.
i am in way over my head to make the case that the cylinder head repair was faulty, and caused this latest trouble.
i just dont know......

oh, and the shop also told me that there may be other things pop up after i get THIS repair done....is there a chance that the other cat. converter could go bad, or is it seperate enough that it wouldnt be affected by the left side.......

rattum frattum frickum frackum...........

[IndianaVX]

well, the vx is dead.......for now..........im talking to a lawyer tommorow, or thursday.
and although this thread has become a bore, a long depressing bore, i think it will come into play nicely in a court situation to give a time frame of events, and how things transpired.
when i talked to the shop today, they were basicly blaming ME for the catilitc converter failure.....go figure
they said that when i drove it when the belt broke (???) and over the course of the weekend,(150 miles) that when i was driving, there was too much fuel being dumped into the cat. covert. and thats what burned it, and the 02 sensor up......

the points i intend to raise are as follows, which are all documented in this thread, and hopefully the warrany companys paper work as well.........

back a couple of months ago, maybe page two, i was told that the new belt was put on the vx, and it ran great, but due to the water pump not being in yet, they couldnt finish the job......
well, if the cam was in the condition that it was in, then this couldnt have happened, when the water pump DID come in, they put the belt on, and couldnt get it running, which later they discovered that the cam was spun 180 degrees, so either they lied about it running previously, or they damaged the cam over the course of the 2 or 3 weeks of trying to set the time.

point two,
they obviously didnt take the truck on a test drive of any worth or run diagnostics computer when they completed the head install, because ANY mechanic that is worth anything would have noticed the lack of power, and the AWFUL growel that was made by not haveing the egr tube hooked up to the bottom of the egr valve..........

point three,
again, there was no test drive after the egr was connected because if there was, they would have thrown the codes i was experianceing over the weekend, in which case, i would think they would have kept the vx in the shop, and figured out why it was throwing the codes. in MY opinion, they set me up for failure by letting me take the vx as completed. me with the understanding that my vx was in shape to drive, i was actually destroying my catalitic converter, or CONVERTERSSSS, plural . (1500.00)

I dont like to play the blame game, but who is at fault here?? me, for doing what you are supposed to do when you get a vehicle back after 3 months, which is to drive it? OR, the shop that gave me a faulty completed repaired vehicle to drive only to damage it further???

if you have an opinion on this, if anyone is even reading this thread anymore...lol...please post your opinion, good or bad, i would like to hear it. ive never taken anyone to court,or small claims court before. anyone had any experiance in a situation like this???

well, wish me luck, cause i need it right now.
thanks for all the support you guys have given me over this whole ordeal.
thanks, gobs and gobs.......lol

david

[IndianaVX]

ok,
todays scoop. i talked to local isuzu dealer about the catalitic converter situation yesterday, and he told me that the warranty on the cat convert was 6 years, or 60,000 miles......im at 64,000 so obviously, i was soooooo bummed yesterday, couldnt sleep AT ALL last night, i just couldnt figure out what i was going to do, sue these guys, get another job, or what. so as usual, i ended my day in prayer, and again, talked to God about my truck, and my situation. well thismorning, i was talking to my warranty company, and they dont cover the cat. converter either. but he said i might call customer service at isuzu of america corp. offices. so i asked them what the warranty was on the cat's and he told me 8 years, 80,000 miles!!!! i asked him to double check, he did, and repeated the same!! he said i just needed to take it to a isuzu dealer, and have em fixed!!! i called the dealer again, and he agreed!!!!!! so, im having my shop roll the vx out to the parking lot, warranty company is going to cover tow bill to get the vx to the dealer, and they said they would fix it!!!!!!!
there MIGHT be a diagnostic fee, but that too will be waived if they find the converters are toast. and the 02 sensor was destroyed by the converter, so i SHOULD be covered as well!!! the converter got so hot, that it melted the threads on the sensor, it looked pretty bad.
so what more can i say, things are looking brighter once again........
Thank God.........he is good, so very good.

[IndianaVX]

called the isuzu dealer today, and they cant fix it. it is out of warranty even though i was told 8/80,000. what they failed to tell me was that was for original owner. so the great service guy roger (really) at bob rhorman isuzu asked for a "good will" repair of my truck, and got the call back and it was denied too. so i asked about what kind of bill i have, and again, roger being the good guy he is, said awww, dont worry about it....no charge!!

my question for today is,
roger said that there might be the ability of putting a "test tube" on there instead of a cat converter. from my understanding is this is just a steel tube, with the flanges welded on. he also said that the guys in the shop "might" be willing to do it. but im assuming that i would lose my o2 sensor, and have to live with a check engine light for the rest of the trucks life.

so anyway, im loosing it, gonna go troll the streets for some valium jk

but my only option for now, is to have it towed back to my house, and sit it by the desoto, until i talk to the BBB, and my attorny.

i still feel like if the repair shop wouldnt have given me the truck while it was throwning the codes it was, i could have saved the cats.
im trying to make the connection. kind of a chicken or the egg thing, maybe.