timing belt jumped

[kpaske]

David,

So sorry I didn't get to this sooner. I've just started a new job, so I've been really busy and haven't been online in over a week. I went through the same B.S. when I tried to replace my own timing belt a while back so I know what you're going through.

The bottom line is, the Isuzu manuals are wrong. The TSB# IB00-S005 explains the correct procedure and I've uploaded the scanned images into my gallery. I hope this helps. Please send me an e-mail (not a PM!) if you have any other questions that I can help you with.

Kyle

[IndianaVX]

well, i STILL dont have my vx back....this is getting old.
my question for today, or tonight, is this.
if the timing is set wrong, or the cams are not turned till they "snap" into place, and then the belt is installed, and then the engine is fired up in this condition.....is there any chance of valves kissing or getting bent???
i dont know if something has happened while the mechanic has tested, and they dont want to tell me, which, i wouldnt think they would do that.....ive been dealing with this guy for years, but i did find out that its the "new guy" thats working on my rig. i told the secretary that i wasnt real happy about that. i brought it to them for terry to work on....terry is who has done all my work in the past, and he has done it well. she assured me that this new guy is qualified, and terry is activly involved, which is good.
BUT how screwed up can things be after two weeks of trying to set the timing on a 6VE1 engine, and me giving them service bullitins, and even a very detailed instruction given to me by a VERY QUALIFIED ISUZU SPECIALIST.... this is what is making me loose sleep....seriously. i have spent 300 bucks on gas in two weeks driving my g20
van. which was supposed to go towards my repair bill (whatever warranty doesnt cover) which brings me to another sleep looser......warranty isnt going to cover the time they have taken.....im sure warranty co has a set number of hours they figure for timing belt replacement, and this guy is working on and off for 3 weeks putting a timing belt on......thats gonna come out of MY pocket....which i am hoping they treat me well, and not charge me for all those hours......(here comes the headache again)
im starting to think im not gonna have the vx for the badlands meet
theres gotta be a joke in all this somewhere....How many mechanics does it take to change a timing belt???
sorry to whine and moan...
any response to my questions???

trying to stay positive

david

[IndianaVX]

OH, i almost forgot,
thank you kyle for the tsb. it WASNT the same one they had, so.........who knows..
also congrads on the new job. I hope its something you were looking for and will bring you happiness and riches, and its something you enjoy doing.
thanks for your help..

and another thank you to Ldub. thanks for the "email"
david

[Ldub]

and another thank you to Ldub. thanks for the "email"
david

No problem, I just hope your mechanic gets this resolved & you're able to hit the trails with the gang this weekend...I was kidding when I said that Silouettes RULE off-road.

[IndianaVX]

***UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE ***
good news....kinda, but more bad.
good news is this, my mechanic found out the problem, which is the pin that holds the cam gear to the cam shaft broke, which allowed the cam to spin 180 degrees from where it should be. which explains why when everything was lined up on the marks, it still wouldnt run right, because the driverside cam was 180 degrees from where it should be.
another issue was the the bearing surface between the back driverside lobes was rough and scarred due to oiling problem. i havent looked yet, but i think this is a problem that others have had with the engine failure....or maybe it was the back driverside piston.
more good news is that cam, and other related failures are covered on my warranty, (from reading the brochure, havent talked to a rep yet) so thats good too.
bad news is, its already been two months already, and it looks like its going to be atleast a few more weeks before i will get it back.
my mechanic said he is looking at very least, getting a new head, and maybe a new engine. he said also that some warranty companys will replace the engine with used engines, instead of new ones. i told him to push for as much new stuff as he could, obviously.
soooooo, im sure i will be talking to merlin here pretty soon..
wish me luck, and thanks again for all the help.
if nothing else, i got an excellent write up on how to install a timing belt from a very qualified isuzu person, which i will post up soon.

thanks again peeps,

david

[IndianaVX]

also, a little "testemony"
im a praying kinda guy anyway, but its not often that i talk to God about the mechanics of an isuzu 6VE1 DOHc engine........but i did last night, asking him to help my mechanic find out what the problem was.
the shop opens at 800am. i had a phone call at 810am thismorning with terry, (my mechanic) saying " dave, i found out what the problem is, can you stop by, and ill show you what is going on..."

it seems that so often in our lives, when things are going rotten, we try, and we try to resolve them ourselves, and use prayer as a last resort, almost saying "well, ive tried everything else" instead of praying as soon as a problem starts up.

if you are going thru something in your life, let God know about it, yeah, hes got his own sense of time, and the answer my not be immediate, but that doesnt mean he's not listening and ready to help!

God is good, REAL good,

david

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[IndianaVX]

Well, heres the latest,
if ever given the choice, i WOULD NOT get a extended warranty from gaurdian warranty company.
the warranty company called me today, and said he found a shop that could REBUILD my cylinder head in one day, and send it back out the next day. i am totally disgusted. i had offered to go half way on a new head (899 complete head) and he was going to go for that, then i discover that he and my mechanic talked friday on this rebuilding thing, leaving me totally in the dark for the weekend. so it looks like the head will be rebuilt, if not done correctly, i will probably be broke down again in a couple of months. im trying to be optomistic, but a couple of weeks ago, my mechanic was saying how he wouldnt want to rebuild it from the way the "bearing" sirface was too worn, and to build this up, and then cut it back in would be a lost cause.
who knows.......bout fed up.
i guess ill have my vx back pretty soon though, so thats good.

david

[etlsport]

david, sorry to hear about all this happening to you and your VX i dunno what id do without my vx for two months, two days away from it and i was goin crazy! hope everything works out well though... heres to many years of minimal maintenance driving!

[IndianaVX]

thanks etl, id go for those beers right bout now......lol

well,
yesterday, my cylinder head came in......after 7 days, not 1 day turnaround, and one day back. so im fired up, but tryin not to get too excited, you know......
so today, i figure they are putting things back together, and i was wondering about a motor flush, or at very least, change the oil, filter etc. so i stop by and ask them about this, and how things were going...........


the indexing pin was fixed, and only one cam needed work, so what do these guys so highly recommended by my warranty guy do??? take both cams out, then when reassybling, two of the gears were in backwards, and in the wrong place, and a bolt that holds the cop on, was sticking halfway out, and another bolt wrapped in paper, rolling round loose in the box the head was in........

I dont make this stuff up...............

so my mechanic is fixing what should have been fixed, when it was sent to be fixed.....he told the warranty company that they just singed an open ticket to get this going again which means to me, for the amount that this head repair is gonna cost anybody but me, we could have had a NEW COMPLETE CYLINDER HEAD FOR LESS THAN 900 BUCKS............go figure

i didnt even have the energy to ask when they thought they would have it done.....

Hopefully, in the next 30 days i will be back in the vx saddle again!!! lol

take it easy people
thanks

david

breakdown date 3-30-2007 76 days ago

[biju]

Hang in there! Hope all comes together as it should, and she runs like new!

-biju.

[IndianaVX]

well,
its done.....sitting in the parking lot at the mechanic. but i cant drive it till the billing is all done. how ever long that will take errrrrrr.......man, its so close......i actually went and sat by it earlier tonight.....its all dusty, rr tire is low, the cladding looks soooooo dry. the alarm was on, so i couldnt get inside. i havent sat in it for so long. i dont think ill be able to sleep tonight........this is like Christmas, and you already know what your present is, but you cant play with it full time till its "offically opened" man, i cant wait much longer........
it will be interesting how this whole warranty issue plays out.

[Ldub]

GOOD NEWS...& with any luck, a happy ending.

[Dino]

Oh man I hope so too..

[IndianaVX]

well, first thing thismorning, 8 am, i call warranty company and tell them to get on the ball, my truck is done, and a bill i ready, all this on an answering machine, and ask for a call back on when i can pick it up. so i wait till about 1 and call back, and leave another message asking same, and how things are progressing, at 4 i call, and the warranty guy answers,....says he hasnt heard a word from my mechanic, but would call him right away and get me back in my truck. i STILL dont hear from anyone so at 515pm (my mechanic closes at 530) i call my mechanic and ask if he talked to the warranty guy, and he says he called, but got called away on an emergency, and couldnt finish the billing thing, the warranty guys son was riding a bike, and apparently got struck by a car........**note, i hope and sincerly pray the boy is alright**

so, i simply say," so i guess i wont be able to get the truck tonight"
my mechanic comes back with "well, ill tell you what dave,....YOU can come in here and pay the bill, and then YOU can deal with him on getting your money back....."
i asked how much the bill was, and i dont have that much cash on hand this week, but i about went off on this guy, i have known him for years and given him alot of business, as well as many referalls...........WELL THATS OVER.
I WILL NOT TAKE MY TRUCK TO TOWNE VIEW AUTO CLINIC AGAIN.......

sorry this thread has become somewhat of a blog, but after reading it thru, it may come in handy in a court case that may be comming in my near future.
thanks to you all for your support, i really appreciate it,
and i ask you all to keep this warranty guy, his wife and son in your thoughts and pray its not serious.

thanks again people........maybe tommorow
david

[Solitude]

I have been reading this post and was wondering what happened to the 10yr/120,ooo mile warentee.. (probably a stupid question but thought you said 64,000 miles and is the timing belt supposed to be changed according to scheduled maintenance before that?)