engine tapping ...oh no

[Joe_Black]

If you have a Harbor Freight nearby you can pick up a mechanic's stethoscope for about $6 which can help isolate the source of the sound. You can also find them at NAPA and other auto parts houses for a little more.

If the sound is coming from the head then it's likely the hydraulic valve-lash adjusters, which have a published known-issue of sticking from varnish build-up. The typical "fix" is the use of 0W-30 or 5W-30 Mobil-1 which will remove the varnish over a period of time. The adjuster could also be failing (unlikely at your mileage, but possible), which in a worst-case scenario would cause very rough running as the affected valve stuck open.

Ldub's exhaust shield clatter is another valid possibility, and a while back Johnnyapollo had a noise that would only happen while in drive that turned out to be the exhaust making contact with the right side suspension link.

How long have you had your VX and been using Mobil-1?

[psychos2]

If the sound is coming from the head then it's likely the hydraulic valve-lash adjusters, which have a published known-issue of sticking from varnish build-up.

What??? The only way to adjust the valve is with a type of shim that goes on top of the valve stem. We call them lash caps at work. We do not have lifters on the vx. It is a setup were the cam opens the valves. shawn

[Joe_Black]

I know, that's what I thought at first since that's what I'm familiar with as well from my FIAT/Lancia and Kawasaki DOHC experience. Apparently, and this is according to Isuzu service information and not my actual under-hood experience, our engine has hydraulic self-adjusting "lash caps". I'm about to have lunch with a friend who owns and operates a local major repair shop and will have more info then.

UPDATE: Apparently there is a such thing as a self-adjusting hydraulic tappet bucket for direct-impinging OHC and DOHC applications. When home later I'll look in the service manual for more info.

[IndianaVX]

thanks guys
yes, i am suspicious of the exhaust rattle, not real concerned about it, but it will be found and dealt with....
Joe, i have owned the vx for a year, and changed to mobil 1 2 days after i got it. so its been running mobil 1 for a year. i also run the lucas syn oil stabilizer. and run the lucas gas additive...(forget the name) for cleaning the top end.
there is no noticable power loss, i cant make the tapping. it just happens. have heard it once today.
thanks again guys for the intrest, and input.....its appreciated
lunch is over... gotta get back at it!
david

[IndianaVX]

ok, i think i got AUDIO, and a pretty lousy video, but it is the sound im after....take a listen. its not the best sound quality, and it is loud because i stuck the camera right down in there. camera location is just above the spark plug closest to firewall, on drivers side. i used my stethescope, and it is defenatly loudest there also. i put the scope in the indented groove on the "valve cover?" just above the spark plug. i also stuck it in the indent around the spark plug. both places it was very distinct tapping.
so, if this works, heres my audio clips.......

ok, thats not working....posting the video, that is.....ill try something else

[IndianaVX]

ok, heres the link to some videos with audio of noise.....

http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_1848.flv


http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_1849.flv

the first one is with engine still running after a 5 minute drive.... the second one is after shutting the engine off for about 2 minutes, and i rev, and the sound goes away.

thanks guys
david

[psychos2]

ok, heres the link to some videos with audio of noise.....

http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_1848.flv


http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_1849.flv

the first one is with engine still running after a 5 minute drive.... the second one is after shutting the engine off for about 2 minutes, and i rev, and the sound goes away.

thanks guys
david

It sounds like you may need the valves adjusted. It says in the manual they should be checked every 60,000 miles. shawn

[VehiX]

ok, heres the link to some videos with audio of noise.....

http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_1848.flv


http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_1849.flv

the first one is with engine still running after a 5 minute drive.... the second one is after shutting the engine off for about 2 minutes, and i rev, and the sound goes away.

thanks guys
david

That doesn't sound good at all! Sounds like an old mercedes deisel.

[psychos2]

I know, that's what I thought at first since that's what I'm familiar with as well from my FIAT/Lancia and Kawasaki DOHC experience. Apparently, and this is according to Isuzu service information and not my actual under-hood experience, our engine has hydraulic self-adjusting "lash caps". I'm about to have lunch with a friend who owns and operates a local major repair shop and will have more info then.

UPDATE: Apparently there is a such thing as a self-adjusting hydraulic tappet bucket for direct-impinging OHC and DOHC applications. When home later I'll look in the service manual for more info.

I have looked in the manual and I am finding nothing about this. It looks to me that this is not the case and they are not self adjusting. But I am not 100% positive. If they were self adjusting hydralic there would be no valve noise. You can notice a big difference between hydraulic and and solid lifters, I would think that this would be the same. shawn