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Thread: NEED HELP! Codes:P0171, P0174, P0304, Symptoms inside

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    NEW CODE P0507! old codes:P0171, P0174, P0304, *new post*

    So I know the codes:
    P0171
    Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1
    P0174
    Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2
    P0304
    Misfire on Cylinder 4

    It started with just 171, and 174, but 304 came on shortly there after.

    I cleaned the MAF and EGR, and replaced the PCV. I then ran seafoam through the gas, and Filled up with Premium. 20 miles on the tank since, and now the CEL is on, and occasionally blinking (assuming that's because of 0304 code)

    My vehicle is now idling at 2500RPM!

    Advice??

    I was planning on Just replacing all my plugs, and hoping for the best, but figure I should post here and get advice before doing anything more.

    Should I do Plugs and O2 sensors? Kind of surprised to have issues where my vehicle only has 52,000 miles, and hasn't burned any oil to date.

    Thanks for any insight.

    Richie
    Last edited by taylorRichie : 01/11/2009 at 05:29 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by taylorRichie View Post
    So I know the codes:
    P0171
    Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1
    P0174
    Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2
    P0304
    Misfire on Cylinder 4

    It started with just 171, and 174, but 304 came on shortly there after.

    I cleaned the MAF and EGR, and replaced the PCV. I then ran seafoam through the gas, and Filled up with Premium. 20 miles on the tank since, and now the CEL is on, and occasionally blinking (assuming that's because of 0304 code)

    My vehicle is now idling at 2500RPM!

    Advice??

    I was planning on Just replacing all my plugs, and hoping for the best, but figure I should post here and get advice before doing anything more.

    Should I do Plugs and O2 sensors? Kind of surprised to have issues where my vehicle only has 52,000 miles, and hasn't burned any oil to date.
    Thanks for any insight.

    Richie
    dont have any advise on the other stuff but on this, the car is almost 10 years old so is it that surprising??
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    Two things that will cause idle problems (that others have had problems with recently) is the Fuel Pressure Regulator (FPR) and the Idle Control Valve. I wouldn't expect either to be throwing those codes tho.
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    i havent heard of it causing all of those issues.. but i know that a bad FPR has caused a high idle for some.. other than that... i have no idea sorry
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    The only help I can offer is that I would go over what you were working on first to make sure nothing came unplugged, unsealed, etc...before I went any further. (i.e.--EGR gasket still sealed properly, air-temp sensor still sealed properly, MAF still plugged in and sealed properly.)

    I got a hunch that your 02 sensors are OK in that they are not at fault but are simply doing their job in indicating a lean condition.

    The misfire though has me scratching my head
    I've had a vaccuum leak cause "multiple misfire" cell because of bad pinging.

    Perhaps the fuel treatment dislodged some contaminents & possibly plugged fuel filter causing lean condition? Perhaps change-out fuel filter or at least pull it and see if you can blow through it (clogged).

    When my Z-34 Monte Carlo started idling at 2500 rpm's it turned out to be intake gaskets leaking. Don't know if anybody here ever had high idle because of leaking intake gaskets? Doubtful that they would start leaking just like that, right after your service done though.

    When my Fuel Pressure Regulator went bad, it affected mpg and resulted in starting issues (i.e.--after engine warm, like stopping for gas and having trouble getting it to run again..taking like 3-4 attempts to restart). No codes thrown though.

    IAC is easily seen in throttle body throat...see if it looks carboned up...can be easily cleaned with o2 sensor safe TB cleaner spray. Although a bad one still would need changed out.

    Hope any of these WAG's help.
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    Thanks for the suggestions!!

    I'll check out the Fuel Filter, and then move on to the FPR, and IAC.

    Maybe just replace my plugs for good measure. Perhaps I have a bad coilpack as well. ???

    Any suggestions on Plugs?

    ====

    Perhaps my EGR is gone?? Maybe the contacts on the electricals are bad? I've read a few tutorials on repairing them.

    Or I suppose my MAF could be gone...

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    Richie...

    Read post #4 here: http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...ight=flammable

    It's a good way to check for the possibility of vacuum leaks...
    (which would cause the lean condition)

    You could try switching the coil packs side to side (#2 & #4) to see if the misfire code follows.

    Good luck...

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    Thanks dub I'll give it a go...

    Quite the little gremlin... The idle issue is the main issue of worry for me... It makes it even hard to stop, my VX is trying to power brake itself. To the shop in the AM...

    First I'm going to inspect and possibly swap the Fuel Filter... Then check out the FPR if the issue is persistent. (only for idle issues) then I'll swap the coil packs, check if the code follows. Probably replace plugs for good measure.

    Anything else?

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    I would check the maf sensor.If I remember right some else here had a similar issue, wire was broken or loose in the plug causing the issue. shawn
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    OK... I have a new Code
    P0507 - IDLE HIGHER THAN EXPECTED

    Atleast this one the symptoms are true... Idle is too high

    I replaced all my plugs, and my Fuel Filter, and now my Misfire code went away (atleast for now) And I'm not having my "Lean Conditions" codes.

    I cleaned my IAC, checked all my connections (vacuum and electrical to MAF, EGR IAC etc.) But I'm not seeing anything.

    The Throttle is closed, so it's not a cable or pedal adjustment that got messed up.

    I ran through different readings on my Scanguage, and one think that came up was my TPS isn't registering a reading at all. I'm not sure that it does on our vehicles anyway, but if someone could confirm that would be great.

    Anyone know how much a TPS is for our vehicles?

    Thanks for all your help!!

    Richie

    The manual says use the Tech 2 for troubleshooting... Anyone want to lend me one
    But it looks like the only culprits are:
    vacuum leak, or PCV (I just did PCV, and did the starter fluid test for leaks, found none)
    Or the IAC solenoid itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taylorRichie View Post
    OK... I have a new Code
    P0507 - IDLE HIGHER THAN EXPECTED

    Atleast this one the symptoms are true... Idle is too high
    What is your VX idling at now? Is it still around 2500 rpm or is it alot closer to normal...say 50 rpms over normal?

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    my TPS always shows up on the scangauge.. ill get some normal readings tomorrow for different situations
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    Quote Originally Posted by etlsport View Post
    my TPS always shows up on the scangauge
    I'm thinking that if his idle was just out of range (i.e. 50+rpm) it would be the IAC that was bad...but, if it is WAY out of range (alot more than 50+) & not caused by a vacuum leak...and the Throttle Position Sensor isn't showing on the scangauge...I'd be steering in that direction------>(TPS).


    I had a car in the past that would kick the code of "idle higher than expected" but was only idling in excess of 50 rpm over the normal idle...it was the IAC that was bad in that case.

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    It's still idling between 2500 - 3000. I can't find a vacuum leak anywhere, and I used the start fluid method. And carefully examined all of my hoses and fittings...

    Is there a way to use a boost/vacuum gauge to determine if there's a leak? ie, the vacuum PSI at a given RPM?

    My Scangauge doesn't return anything when I switch to TPS, it only shows

    __TPS with nothing to the left of it.

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    Mine idles in the same range from a fresh startup. It is even sneaky at times and decides to randomly do it while driving, but only when I let off the gas to come to a stop. Causes me to have to leave a longer distance between me and the car in front of me, heh. It will buck forward as I step on the brake. Very rare but I don't need to hit someone in front of me.

    I have been playing around with ideas for a few months now and STILL have yet to do anything about it. I only just got a new battery this weekend to get it back on the road after a couple months, so I will be back on the case now. I have only thrown 171 and 174 previously. The funny thing is, if I clear the codes without fixing them, it will run fine for about a week. Then, the issue comes back and the codes appear again. I have concluded that a new MAF, FPR, and EGR should be on my list of things to do. I cleaned the MAF several times, but the screen isn't exactly pristine anymore. And I never did replace the FPR after the my S/C install, so that won't hurt. My EGR has been cleaned to the bone and there is no getting it any cleaner, and it is a slight disaster. Definitely won't hurt. I do not think I am gonna touch the O2 sensors unless it is last resort time. There is already a laundry list of money to be spent.
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