Petersen Visit update...not lookin' good

Please see the comment below:

Due to scheduled exhibitions, the VX-O2 will not be on display, but it is available to see in the Vault. As previously mentioned, in order to access the Vault a fee of $2500 is required. Unfortunately I cannot waive the Vault fee as it is a new policy for Vault tours. In terms of scanning the VX-02, you will need to have permission from the company/manufacturer. Otherwise, the museum is not allowed to scan a vehicle without proper authorization. If you’d like to move forward, please send me your preferred dates and I will check with our staff’s schedule. Thank you.

Best regards,

Education Program Scheduling Coordinator

If I could find a way to go I'd definitely pitch in. But I know that's a lot if you've been before.

I'd tell'em to forget it and put the car out at the curb up for adoption. $2500.00 bucks to look at one car?? What are they crazy? Nobody will ever pay that, and I don't think Isuzu wanted that when they donated it.

I've been doing this all wrong.

Every time I've been approached in public by a curious party wanting to know more about my VX, I've ignorantly obliged for free.

But to now find out that I'd have been able to make thou$and$ by simply calling myself an Education Program Scheduling Coordinator, calling my garage a "Vault", and asking those people to schedule access in advance for a future viewing appointment in said "Vault" makes me realize I've been way too unselfish as a fellow automotive enthusiast.

Live and learn.

:fyi:

The Y33TREKker VX Vault
Flexible Business Hours (Call for Appointment)
1-800-CMY-VX4$

Lol Trek... :thumbup:

The only reason I'd pitch in is that it would likely be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me to see it. Has Petersen ever actually had the VX-O2 on the museum show floor?

The vault at Peterson is SO MUCH MORE...
.... than just the chance to 'look at one car'.

Its a veritable treasure trove of automobile history, with no ropes or do not touch signs..
..up close and personal!

Vehicles you will only ever see in picture form, let alone crawl under.
Restorations in all stages, from total strip downs to fully re built.
Concepts/Customs/work shop areas etc etc etc .

Its an Aladdins cave ...and any serious car nut...
....would give a 'nut' to get in there!

Is $2500 crazy...it depends on how many people that covers.

If its ten people...is $ 250 expensive for a once in a lifetime experience?
If its 20 people @ $125 each......you'll remember it way longer ( for ever!) than two mediocre Outback Steak nights......!!!

I applaud Baldwin (again!!) for setting this up a few years ago for a bunch of us...
...and sympathize with him, now that he's dealing with new "rules".

Jo

Well I say have at it for anyone that interested in seeing the VX02 and all the other assorted vehicles at that price. That's not saying that the history represented by those various vehicles isn't worth consideration, only that it simply seems a little odd to me that someone who was specifically trying to schedule an appointment that would include seeing a specific vehicle would only later be told that the specific vehicle in question would now NOT be available at said viewing unless a new fee of $2500 was coughed up.

I mean, I realize it's possible that I've missed something in the preparation updates since reading them hasn't been a priority for me since I know that I wouldn't be going anyway, but seeing as how Baldwin was trying to schedule a visit that would potentially include various VXinfo members, I'd think that the VX02 would have most likely been brought up when attempting to determine when such a specific visit would yield being able to actually view that specific vehicle.

I'm with Trek on this one. I have no problem with admission fees for museums, exhibitions, shows, etc... but to charge such an exorbitant price to view a collection seems quite outrages. Nothing at all against Baldwin, he obviously feels bad about dropping that bombshell on the members here. Now, if you get a cocktail meet-and-greet with dinner plus driving privileges for any car in the collection on a closed course with an overnight stay at a luxury suite, I'm IN...maybe. :_steering

I would be interested to hear from others that were lucky enough to get access for free...
...as to what value they would put on it.

I agree Scott, Baldwin has been dealt a bad hand here , mid game ...
...he was trying to organize a repeat visit in all good faith, with the possibility
of the VX02 being on general display as well.

To me, those poking fun at his position and effort...
....especially with no intention of partaking... seemed rather harsh.

And he77 ya..for $2500...I'd want all you mention :rolleyes:

But this was aimed at a group effort/gathering...and even though 20 people may be hard to muster...

..its a REAL one off experience.

I'd be interested to know WHY the charge is there now, and why so high???
Liability Insurance, security, tour guide...???
Does that include main Museum entry too??


Knowing what I do about it now,...$250 is a BIG stretch..given 10 people.


However, if 20 can be rounded up...$125 for the sheer OMG/WOW/DROOL factor ( thats one NFL game live...!!)...

..yea, I'd say so!

Jo

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

To me, those poking fun at his position and effort...
....especially with no intention of partaking... seemed rather harsh.

Jo

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I would say I was surprised that that's how you chose to interpret my comments in this thread...but I'm simply not. You once stated that you often have difficulty getting the "gist" of what I'm saying, and you've proven it once again in this thread.

That you would have read my comments as in ANY way poking fun at Baldwin for his efforts was simply (deliberate?) ignorance on your part, especially since no one else seemed to take it that way. (Hey, you're going to accuse me of something like that, I'm not going to hesitate to correct your ignorance, or go out of my way to spare you any embarrassment).

You want to keep playing this personal mud slinging game with me though, that's entirely up to you.

Yea Trek...silly me for talking on a subject/event I know about, and would / have taken part in.

My bad.

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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker

I've been doing this all wrong.
But to now find out that I'd have been able to make thou$and$ by simply calling myself an Education Program Scheduling Coordinator, calling my garage a "Vault", and asking those people to schedule access in advance for a future viewing appointment in said "Vault" makes me realize I've been way too unselfish as a fellow automotive enthusiast.

Live and learn.

:fyi:

The Y33TREKker VX Vault
Flexible Business Hours (Call for Appointment)
1-800-CMY-VX4$

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Yup...Once again I missed your gist.

But hey, if you dont see that as poking fun....

....it explains ALOT!

jo

And yet it's obvious that you've STILL not gotten the gist of what I've said, or who I've been referring to.

Your bad indeed.

The Petersen is in LA, right??

That is one of the International airports I could fly into or out of Moab next year.

What is the chance of setting up a visit around one week before or after Moab??
I would throw in $500 to get the ball rolling provided I can take photos.

PK

So Treker...

By 'still not getting the gist' you mean that when...

You belittle the premise, and sarcastically parody the effort...
..on an event you state you wont be taking part in.

And you rudely dismiss Baldwins position...
.... "" by simply calling myself an Education Program Scheduling Coordinator"'

All after admitting you "might" of missed something in the updates .....

:_thinking

Yet when I simply call it "rather harsh"...

...it arouses this kind of defensive angst in you ?


You are right....I don't "get the gist".

And I'll leave it at that.

jo

Yup PK...

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Originally Posted by PK

The Petersen is in LA, right??
That is one of the International airports I could fly into or out of Moab next year.What is the chance of setting up a visit around one week before or after Moab??
I would throw in $500 to get the ball rolling provided I can take photos.
PK

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....Peterson Museum is in LA.
We took GAZILLIONS of photos last time..so yea, they are (where!) cool with that.


And hey, if you fly into LA, ya can co-pilot the ORW with me to..

..and at... :_steering

...Moab...if that fits your plans.

I may have a spare bed in the Moab room too if you wanna share...
.....unless you snore louder than I do :p

Jo

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

So Treker...

By 'still not getting the gist' you mean that when...

You belittle the premise, and sarcastically parody the effort...
..on an event you state you wont be taking part in.

And you rudely dismiss Baldwins position...
.... "" by simply calling myself an Education Program Scheduling Coordinator"'

All after admitting you "might" of missed something in the updates .....

:_thinking

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Belittle the premise and sarcastically parody the effort? And you got all of that just because I considered a $2500 "Vault" fee somewhat ridiculous?

And not only that, it seems rather obvious at this point that the Education Program Scheduling Coordinator in this instance is the person at Peterson that Baldwin has been corresponding with in an effort to set up a group viewing. If that's not the case, I'll apologize to Baldwin personally...although I'm pretty sure that it would also be apparent to even him that the "gist" of my original post was joking in nature given the relative cost of the "Vault" viewing fee as compared to automotive museums others have mentioned in this very thread. I mean, do I REALLY need to repeat that $2500 figure AGAIN???

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

Yet when I simply call it "rather harsh"...

...it arouses this kind of defensive angst in you ?


You are right....I don't "get the gist".

And I'll leave it at that.

jo

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Well as I stated before, my comments were obviously directed towards the Peterson Museum and their outrageous pricing structure, and not at Baldwin himself (which will STILL be the case EVEN IF he identifies himself as the Education Program Scheduling Coordinator). Everyone else in this thread seemed to pick up on my intent...but not you...no...you instead chose to try to make this an opportunity to once again call my actions/character into question.

So defensive angst is one way to portray my responses (and once again, not surprising to me since it's coming from you), but another way to view you trying to portray me in that way is simply purposeful ignorance on your part in an effort to continue trying to settle an old score. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure this stuff out after all.

And I would say I'd leave it at that too, but for some reason I don't think you'll let this be the end of it, whether it be right away, or sometime in the future again like you've done in this thread.

And anyway...as I've already said...if you don't have a problem with that $2500 fee and can garner enough interest to defray the total amongst an adequate number of vault visitors...more power to you....Have at it. Given all the defensive angst you've put into your responses, it seems that a visit to the Peterson Vault would obviously mean a great deal to you on a personal level. And if you do, I honestly hope it lives up to all those grand expectations you so eloquently stated in your earlier response.

Now boys, do I have to send you to your room, can't we all just get along? (I think Rodney King asked that question...) :_confused

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Originally Posted by Scott Larson

Now boys, do I have to send you to your room..

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You can, but I have to inform you that sending me to my room is contingent on a $2500 surcharge since I currently refer to my room as the "Vault".

Don't know what else to tell you, that is simply current policy, and the fee can't be waived. :p

LOL!! Troublemaker... :slap:

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

Yup PK...



....Peterson Museum is in LA.
We took GAZILLIONS of photos last time..so yea, they are (where!) cool with that.


And hey, if you fly into LA, ya can co-pilot the ORW with me to..

..and at... :_steering

...Moab...if that fits your plans.

I may have a spare bed in the Moab room too if you wanna share...
.....unless you snore louder than I do :p

Jo

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Hmmm, sounds good Jo.

And all for a bag of cheese twisties???
My wife snores - I don't.

We will need to talk a little closer to the time..

PK

Well treker.....despite saying I'll leave it, that length of retort deserves a reply...
...if only so ya know it wasn't wasted effort!

I think one of the problems is that so much is lost in written posts relative to
intonation, diction and inflection...

For instance,,,your last line would seem to suggest that you think I haven't been to Peterson Museum...??

Surely not...but it reads that way

You also seem to suggest that I'm linking Baldwin and the Education Program guy.....as one and the same???

My bad if it read that way.
Baldwin is taking the time/effort to deal with this guy AFAIK..and apparently got blindsided by the new rules.

My point (if it really matters anymore!!)..and the genesis of the simple "rather harsh" comment .....
...was about the perceived mockery/parody of Baldwins efforts on behalf of others relative to another Peterson visit.
And it was compounded by the fact that it was coming from someone not even interested in getting involved.

Surely if you can poke fun/parody at Baldwins efforts with Petersons..
...then a simple "rather harsh" poke from me shouldn't lead to the this B/S.

As for "an old score"..lets spell it out.
The disagreements we've had regarding the voluntary yearly $20 donation to help keep this site up and running,
that you amongst others (are at liberty to) eschew.

The "old score" you allude to could be true in a rather petty world..
....but given I've made several very good friends here that don't donate either...
..I trust you now realize your postulation is flawed.

Ya know what Treker, I hope one day we get to meet and have a beer...
..and maybe even figure out that we are not as much at odds with each other as it sometimes seems.

Until then , I'd suggest we both need to "think twice...type once".

:_beer:

Jo

"A" bag of Twisties...
Dude you get one t/shirt and one pair of clean underoos...
...the rest of your luggage needs to be Yellow, and twisted!

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Originally Posted by PK

Hmmm, sounds good Jo.

And all for a bag of cheese twisties???
My wife snores - I don't.

We will need to talk a little closer to the time..

PK

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Yea..we'll figure it out in 2013..
..but it could work out real well for us both.
Who knows, after unloding all the goodies...
...you'll have room to take more ex ORW parts home to add to those already on your VX !

ATB

Jo

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

Well treker.....despite saying I'll leave it, that length of retort deserves a reply...
...if only so ya know it wasn't wasted effort!

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I'm honored.

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

I think one of the problems is that so much is lost in written posts relative to
intonation, diction and inflection...

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Are you admitting to it, or implying it's me who is at fault?

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

For instance,,,your last line would seem to suggest that you think I haven't been to Peterson Museum...??

Surely not...but it reads that way

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Your description suggests that's what you perceived I meant by what I wrote, but it wasn't. And even if it had been...what difference would that have made anyway? Whether or not you've already been to the place is nothing to get defensive and angsty about IMO anyway.

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

You also seem to suggest that I'm linking Baldwin and the Education Program guy.....as one and the same???

My bad if it read that way.

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OK, your bad.

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

Baldwin is taking the time/effort to deal with this guy AFAIK..and apparently got blindsided by the new rules.

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I've already said that myself.

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

My point (if it really matters anymore!!)..and the genesis of the simple "rather harsh" comment .....
...was about the perceived mockery/parody of Baldwins efforts on behalf of others relative to another Peterson visit.
And it was compounded by the fact that it was coming from someone not even interested in getting involved.

Surely if you can poke fun/parody at Baldwins efforts with Petersons..
...then a simple "rather harsh" poke from me shouldn't lead to the this B/S.

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I've already said that the intent of my joke was not directed at Baldwin. Are you even reading my responses??

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

As for "an old score"..lets spell it out.
The disagreements we've had regarding the voluntary yearly $20 donation to help keep this site up and running,
that you amongst others (are at liberty to) eschew.

The "old score" you allude to could be true in a rather petty world..
....but given I've made several very good friends here that don't donate either...
..I trust you now realize your postulation is flawed.

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That there has been nothing for me to realize is what you still do not realize. The description you just made of our disagreements regarding site donations is a clear indication that your interpretations of my comments remain flawed.

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

Ya know what Treker, I hope one day we get to meet and have a beer...

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I like beer.

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

..and maybe even figure out that we are not as much at odds with each other as it sometimes seems.

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Aside from your apparent predisposition to try to portray me negatively as you continually do, I never said that we were.

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Originally Posted by JoFotoz

Until then , I'd suggest we both need to "think twice...type once".

:_beer:

Jo

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You first. :p

You know it's pretty nifty, after you click all the multi/quote buttons and assemble the text on the Advanced post page you can copy/paste that into a PM and it'll work there. Unfortunately you do lose the ability to show what an internet bad-*** you are in front of the other kids though.

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Originally Posted by vt_maverick

Unfortunately you do lose the ability to show what an internet bad-*** you are in front of the other kids though.

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These kind of things wouldn't happen if everybody payed their 5 1/2 cents a day!:laughing: Cut out a latte or two!

I would still be interested in doing this. Too bad about the scanning, although with enough well positioned photographs you can extract a 3D model anyway. It's called stereophotogrammetry.

If it doesnt pan out to shoot/scan the VX02 again...

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Originally Posted by wintermute

I would still be interested in doing this. Too bad about the scanning, although with enough well positioned photographs you can extract a 3D model anyway. It's called stereophotogrammetry.

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...I'm sure that between all that went last time we can come up with
plenty of pics for you to run a decent 3D extraction.

The fit was pretty good on the visible / exterior mods....

...but Oh Boy, the interior/hidden bracing etc was Heath Robinson personified :smack:

Jo

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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker

I've been doing this all wrong.

Every time I've been approached in public by a curious party wanting to know more about my VX, I've ignorantly obliged for free.

But to now find out that I'd have been able to make thou$and$ by simply calling myself an Education Program Scheduling Coordinator, calling my garage a "Vault", and asking those people to schedule access in advance for a future viewing appointment in said "Vault" makes me realize I've been way too unselfish as a fellow automotive enthusiast.

Live and learn.

:fyi:

The Y33TREKker VX Vault
Flexible Business Hours (Call for Appointment)
1-800-CMY-VX4$

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:laughb:

Settle down Jo it was a funny post and NO ONE but YOU thought he was attacking Baldwin:rollb2:

Wow...what a heated discussion. I didn't expect that considering the last few updates I gave had only a few responses. I purposely deleted the name of the person that works at the Peterson. I'm not the "Education whatever." I'm working with the same person that I worked with last time and her boss that gave us the free tour of the vault last time. They KNOW that the ONLY reason we want to go to the Petersen is to see the VX-O2. They are 100% sure that we would not go there for any other car. That being said, the Petersen was recently bought out and both the "Educational Coordinator" and her boss has been trying for the last few months to get the new management to either display the VX-O2 in rotation so that we don't have to pay, or waive the fee to allow us to view it in the vault. I'm also in communication with Chif at Isuzu Japan. He was one of the designers and he is able to get us written permission from Isuzu to scan the car. I have asked the Petersen if we have permission to scan it, would they still charge us the $2500 since it would most likely be in the vault or moved to an open area to make the scan. So yes, I've been very detailed and diligent to try to make this happen at no cost. The 2 people I worked with before are very understanding and want us there. But the new owners don't know us or the history of the VX-O2. My uncle was a major donor to the museum as well. He pulled out when the new management took place so even he wasn't able to get me the hook up. I hope that answers some questions. Thanks JoFotoz for havin' my back. We did get some great pics last time. Maybe one of us will one day make that mod. "West Coast Customs" quote is between $50k-$80k. GAS is interested to do it, but their legal department said "no" due to liabilities. Chip Foose never returns my calls. I didn't feel comfortable with the ghetto chop shops that said they'd do it.

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Originally Posted by Baldwin

Thanks JoFotoz for havin' my back

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Guess I was wrong:_thinking

Hey, it happens to everyone at one time or another... :slap:

Baldwin, thanks for all you are doing to get us into that vault. Once was not certainly not enough-- I would love to see all those beautiful toys including our VX-02 again. Please, if you correspond with Chif again, send him my regards. He was instrumental in the big L.A. VX meet in 2001. Keep us posted and dont give up.

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Originally Posted by vt_maverick

...Unfortunately you do lose the ability to show what an internet bad-*** you are in front of the other kids though.

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Originally Posted by Scott Harness

These kind of things wouldn't happen if everybody payed their 5 1/2 cents a day!:laughing: Cut out a latte or two!

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I stand corrected. Jo isn't the only person who apparently has difficulty getting the "gist" and intent of my comments (in this thread and obviously those of the past).

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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker

I stand corrected. Jo isn't the only person who apparently has difficulty getting the "gist" and intent of my comments (in this thread and obviously those of the past).

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Well...at least he's in good company...:yesgray:

Last anyone checked, it was you, & that one other guy, that can comprehend the "gist"...:_thinking

While certain other members queries, such as, & I quote: "what WOULD be an acceptable method of promoting site support", go unanswered...:_confused

You're obviously just that much smarter than everyone else...and that's gotta be tough...dealing with us "lower forms" in every aspect, of every waking moment, every day, for as long as you walk the earth.

Hope you're able to sleep well, it must be such sweet refuge...:sleepgray

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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker

I stand corrected. Jo isn't the only person who apparently has difficulty getting the "gist" and intent of my comments (in this thread and obviously those of the past).

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Nope there are a lot of us, that in no way get your "gist" and don't really care to :bwgy:

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Well...at least he's in good company...:yesgray:

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Even if it is all of you saying so yourself...right?

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Last anyone checked, it was you, & that one other guy, that can comprehend the "gist"...:_thinking

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Well it seems obvious that's the opinion that YOU are going to have. Opinions vary though.

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Originally Posted by Ldub

While certain other members queries, such as, & I quote: "what WOULD be an acceptable method of promoting site support", go unanswered...:_confused

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On the contrary. I've explained my thoughts on that subject more times than should have been necessary. Some are aware and have actually said that it's you and some others who simply haven't understood.

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You're obviously just that much smarter than everyone else...and that's gotta be tough...dealing with us "lower forms" in every aspect, of every waking moment, every day, for as long as you walk the earth.

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That's your opinion of me, not my opinion of myself. And quite frankly, it's those kinds of portrayals you continually try to make of me that I'm always trying to correct. You have your opinion of me, and you think you're right. You thinking that you're right doesn't actually mean that you are though.

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Hope you're able to sleep well, it must be such sweet refuge...:sleepgray

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If that's some sort of indirect or subconscious request on your part to see for yourself how well I sleep at night, I'll have to respectfully decline. I don't play for that team...not that there's anything wrong with that. :p But since you seem so concerned for my well being...yes, I sleep just fine. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by LittleBeast

Nope there are a lot of us, that in no way get your "gist" and don't really care to :bwgy:

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And there's the rub. That you don't care to is why you never get said "gist".

Trekker, don't feel so singled out....Jo has picked on me and picked through my words a bit in the past too. I usually just unplug for a few days to pout about it but I always come back for more, mainly because he's not the only *** I deal with from day to day and I shouldn't let just one *** bring me down. Get over it sweety, don't give him the satisfaction of f**king with your head. He likes that.

On the other hand, I personally have never been to California and a trip there, along with a museum stop to see something I couldn't see anywhere else, would definitely be worth some $$$$$ to me. I'd be willing to pay $300-500 for the fee, along with the other hundreds it would take me in fuel to drive my gas-guzzling VX.

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Trekker, don't feel so singled out....Jo has picked on me and picked through my words a bit in the past too. I usually just unplug for a few days to pout about it but I always come back for more, mainly because he's not the only *** I deal with from day to day and I shouldn't let just one *** bring me down. Get over it sweety, don't give him the satisfaction of f**king with your head. He likes that.

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If he actually thinks he's f**king with my head with his comments, he really HASN'T been getting the "gist" of my comments. ;)

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On the other hand, I personally have never been to California and a trip there, along with a museum stop to see something I couldn't see anywhere else, would definitely be worth some $$$$$ to me. I'd be willing to pay $300-500 for the fee, along with the other hundreds it would take me in fuel to drive my gas-guzzling VX.

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And I'll repeat what I've said before. If you or anyone else is THAT inclined to see the VX-02 at that price, more power to you. I think it would be interesting to see too, and on one of my trips to LA in the past, it was me amongst the group of friends I was with who suggested the Peterson Museum as a possible stop while we were in town. So for Jo to have suggested that I wouldn't appreciate such a visit myself was yet another incorrect and uninformed assumption on his part.

Getting back on topic though, I remain unswayed in my opinion that Peterson requiring a $2500 "Vault" fee is simply ridiculous, especially when one considers that it would probably take one employee maybe half an hour (even if the VX-02 was buried/parked behind a group of other vehicles) to get it unburied and drive it around to the front garage/"Vault" door so everyone could simply have a quick look.

And it's not like I don't understand the reasoning you've suggested for being willing to fork over the $$$ to travel and pay such a fee to see the VX-02 either. I play golf, and years ago on one other planned visit to the San Francisco, CA area with that same group of friends, was actually considering paying the greens fees to play a round of golf at Pebble Beach as possibly one of those once in a lifetime experiences too. Now some would consider me crazy for considering that too, but as with everything and everyone, it simply comes down to each persons priorities. I like my VX, don't get me wrong. In my big picture though, it's simply not that high a priority.

And with all due respect, please don't call me "sweety". I prefer "honey" or "sugar-buns". :bwgy:

Wow, you're really hyper-sensitive.....or at least it looks that way, Sugar-buns.