Yup....they put in a new camera in my area....several. I'm contributing 125 dollars to my towns new civic slushfund. I was guilty. I cannot complain. I sped up to make the light, the yellow was very short...and I'm guilty:o No dancing nanners here
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Yup....they put in a new camera in my area....several. I'm contributing 125 dollars to my towns new civic slushfund. I was guilty. I cannot complain. I sped up to make the light, the yellow was very short...and I'm guilty:o No dancing nanners here
I got bite once... $75...The letter said I ran the light by 3/10 of a second.:madb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chopper
The unmanned photo radar sites have just taken off in AZ this past 2 yrs...some dude in Phoenix wears a giraffe or other animal costume as he zooms through them....can't give him a ticket 'cuz the pic taken can't prove it was him. He was on the news about 2 weeks ago all but admitting it's him...has racked up like 90 violations according to the police. Also there's been publicity about one particular judge in Phoenix who routinely throws out the violations...can't recall the legal theory he cites but everybody loves that judge!
Hubby (Mr. Councilman now, dontcha know!) was talking to our town's magistrate/judge this week....she says it's highly likely it's going to end up on the state's ballot....so these things will hopefully be voted out of use!
I have mixed feelings....I've had my share of speeding tickets and, like, Chopper, I was guilty, but these automated ones are just cash cows and the towns need money....I see both sides of the issue.
Tickets are unevitable as long as we drive a vehicule,intentionally or no we always fail to obey the traffic laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
I got one a by this rookie PO who issue a non-seat belt while i was exiting a parkway here in NYC.the problem the PO face is that he saw me without the seat belt @ a stop sign,waiting for the vehicule ahead to move which means my vehicule wasn't in motion at the time so there's no possible traffic moving violation if vehicule weren't in motion,plus he mispell my last name on the ticket & because all oficial paperwork must not show any sort of mistakes the judge is more likely to dismiss it.
He also missed the fact the here in NYC vehicules with commercial tags ( i was driving my company's patrol with NJ CDL tags ) aren't allowed to be on parkways at all.
Please correct me if I'm wrong and misreading this, but are you saying that even though you are aware of the rules of the road in your state(s) (seatbelts, and operating a commercial vehicle on a parkway), you simply chose to disregard them, and rather than obeying those rules (which to me personally seem inconsequential enough) and owning up to the choices you made, find it easier in the long-run to try to play the system to try to have the ticket dismissed because of technicalities - resulting in the waste of officials time and taxpayer dollars in the process?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
And some are so quick to place blame and wonder about the causes of the inefficiency of govenrment...
Don't get me wrong, if you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your choice, and so is disregarding state law (and company policy?) by driving a vehicle where you shouldn't be, but if you're going to do that, causing tax dollars to be wasted in the process, I would like to suggest that we here at VehiCross.info had better just never hear you complaining about the condition of the roads or any increases in taxes in your area. :p
hear hearQuote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I agree ,I third that. shawnQuote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
why should i wear a seatbelt but a motor cyle rider does not need a helmet. What does the height of handle bars have to do with operating a motorcycle, Why is the owner responsible for a photo violation if they cannot prove who was operating.
Post your favorite stupid law here.
Yup, I got snagged in Chicago once back in 05. If you have ever been to Chicago then you know the yellow lights last about 1 second. It's freakin' BS. Pretty soon the whole damn country is gonna be like that. We might as well drive go carts.
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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Sorry dude.
But for the amount of taxes i pay as a single male with no kids claiming 0 on my w2 form i don;t see why i shouln't get that taxes working for me once in a while...
The NYPD here has some sort of grudge against security officers,months ago one of our security officer was ticketed because his patrol squad had a blown daylight bulb,all the PO had to do is to warn the security officer about the issue,instead he wrote the ticket just to show the security officer that he's the good guy;It's obvious that the squad is not belongs to the S/O & the blown bulb could easely blow away while on duty.
Then the company had a hearing requested,the general supervisor ( former LAPD ) who went to court with the ticketed S/O for the hearing saw the same PO talking on the cellphone days after he issued the ticket & took a video with the security squad's recording device.
That day at the court house the general supervisor showed the jugde the video,then the general supervisor asked the P.O " Wearing a NYPD badge while talking on your phone with the squad in motion makes you a safer driver then my security officer with a blown headlight bulb ,isn't?....................following that the ticket was dismissed inmediately because of the P.O action the ticket was morally meanless.
Here in NYC ALL drivers,( please read again ) ALL drivers,including PD's commits traffic violations,you can caught them eaten their dunky donuts bagel with egg & cheese & drinking coffee with the squad while doing U turns,,talking on their cellphones,with blown head lights bulbs & even with the head lights completely OFF,with broken tail or signal lights.
That situation is common here so your judgement about me violating traffic laws does mean that much to me.
A matter of fact me driving on a parkway with CDL tags isn't life treatening situation,plus i wasn't aware before handing the PO the registation that the squad i was driving that day had NJ CDL tags.
Another fact that this PO forgets is that the job the security officers does helps a lot of situations & incidents from happening that could easly ended up in tragedy & taxes my friend doesn't pay for that
Many security officers have been killed doing they job ( do you remember the jew holocaust museum in washington,DC where a security officer were killed )
Even though security officers aren't law enforcement officials we basically does the same job a PD does,which is to protect & serve.Whenever you walk into your bank to do business & there's a S/O looking after you remember he may give his own life to protect your from being hurt & your taxes doesn't pay for that.
And as for the bumpy streets here in NYC let me share a tip with you.To cross over the george washington brigde cost $ 8.00,to cross the verrazano bridge cost $ 11.00,the holland tunnel cost you $ 6.50,to cross the whitestone bridge cost $5.50,to crossover the triboro bridge cost $5.50 And if you drive on any of those bridges you will encounter the worst bumps in the whole of NYC.
Only in NYC you can find bumps intentionally placed on highways & expressways to slow down drivers
Enough for today.
i personally think its a load of crap, the traffic lights...
in this nation we are supposed to be able to 'face our accuser', but its awful hard to face a camera. obviously it captures the truth and thats why it hasnt been challenged, but i guess i just think it isnt fair.
Here in NYC there's a very busy place called queens boulevard which host a good bunch of those traffic cameras.the traffic lights at those camera locations change as fast a blink of a eye,because of the poor behavior behind the wheel of almost every NYC driver the cameras can be seen working at full thrust,flashing like they were going bananas.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
My brother-in-law to be was once caught around 5:30 am on his pathfinder after dropping my sister to work.i sincerely laught at him after looking at the traffic violation letter notice mailed to him two weeks after with a pic of the camera shoot taken that day.
The shoot was pretty clean & smooth,he was the only car during the moment the camera got him.
He got somehow pissed at me when i told him : greg,that shoot seems to be taken by a professional paparazzi for a magazine........you look very sharp LOL :p
Got caught by one of those laser guns by a motorcycle office sitting in a private resident's driveway, behind a tree. Doesnt matter that I was going with the flow of traffic. I was just the happy license plate that he aimed at.
This means war. I downloaded Trapster (trapster.com) to my iphone and i report the location of every permanent traffic camera, mobile camera, every officer in hiding, every car pulled over. And in return I get a warning vocal signal on my iphone for every reported trap. So far it works amazingly well.
I will be the champion of knowing where the men and women in blue are. :madb:
If you obey the laws you will not get tickets. If you do not obey the laws and get a ticket I do not feel sorry for you. If I am speeding and get a ticket it is my fault and I take responsibility for my actions , it is part of being an adult. If my light is out and I get a ticket it is my fault not the cops. I hate to here people complain that they broke the law and should not have gotten a ticket. What did you think was going to happen. shawn
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Originally Posted by psychos2
The cop pulls you over if you are a sweet young thing and cry a bit you get a warning, if you have a cool car you can get a warning (happened to me) If the cop has a bad day you do not get a warning. Lets not pretend the justice system is any way just or fair.
I agree, but I don't think it is a question of fairness. It's just the whole "big brother is watching" thing to me. Sooner or later, the government will be watching EVERYTHING you do. We'll be lucky if we can still maintain privacy in our own homes. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
Bart
All I was saying is that if you wanted all those tax dollars to work for you as efficiently as possible, you could be helping the process with the choices you make in the first place. I have to say though, if you are going to try to validate breaking laws (stupid or not) simply because you think everyone else does it, it could be debated as to whether you even are choosing for yourself what you are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
But, it's not for anyone here to judge. For the most part though, it would seem that a person and the choices they make in matters such as this would fall into either one of two categories: a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. So at this point, here is a choice you can make. If you had to make an objective choice after reading what you've written here, on which side of that dilemna do you imagine you would currently be found? If you aren't currently on the side of the dilemna that you would like to be, what could you do from now on to get there?
Who knows, if the government officials in your area weren't having their time wasted (and in effect your tax dollars via their salaries) discussing technicalities in court, maybe that saved taxation money could instead then be used for road repairs, and you wouldn't be having to pay; $8.00 to cross the George Washington, $11.00 to cross the Verrazano, $6.50 to use the Holland Tunnel, etc, etc, etc...
But between 28% federal tax on my income, 7% sales tax on what I spend plus sin tax on cigarettes and and alchohol, plus state tax, city tax, home owners tax, school tax (no kids) I figure over 50% of what I make goes straight to the gvt. Add to that the bottom 20% income earners pay no federal tax, get welfare, get food stamps, etc I am more than paying for much more than I am getting and they are paying far less than they are recieving. The great traffic camers grab is just another step in the government trying to get more money to give away to special interests or to get votes to stay in power. To argue that the law ids the law and we should follow it no matter what is the same idea that keeps Cubans under Castro and Russians under the CZARs. We would still be subjects under British rule if we blindly stumbled around accepting what other people tell us we should do for our own good. The Gvmt is already trying to control what cars we should drive and is attempting to control what health care we should receive. Frankly given that the retards we have in govt. have yet to create a program that actually works I do not think we should blindly follow them. And do not try to argue that I should vote against the people in the next election. Given my one vote versus the votes millions of morons who are so stupid they believe the politician who tells them he/she is going to make things better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
(Rubs hand together)This is gettin good! Keep 'em coming!
No you are wrong. What I said had nothing to do with if you were pretty or not. I said "If you obey the laws you will not get tickets." WHICH IS TRUE.I also said " If you do not obey the laws and get a ticket I do not feel sorry for you." WHICH IS ALSO TRUE. And I also said " If I am speeding and get a ticket it is my fault and I take responsibility for my actions , it is part of being an adult." WHICH IS ALSO TRUE. And I also said" If my light is out and I get a ticket it is my fault not the cops." TRUE AGAIN. And finally I said"I hate to here people complain that they broke the law and should not have gotten a ticket. What did you think was going to happen." ALSO TRUE. So I did not make one false statement. Which is also true. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. shawnQuote:
Originally Posted by circmand
If you're going to seriously try to equate the laws being discussed in this thread (traffic laws specifically) and the consequences of not obeying them (cash penalties) with the potential consequences of not accepting and following the laws set forth by dictators and imperial rule in various foreign countries (past and present), I'm not sure where the discussion can really go from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
And besides, before we get too far off topic by starting to place that blame I mentioned earlier, the camera issue still boils down to the simple fact that if you don't want a fine sent to you from one of them, don't give it a reason to take your picture in the first place.
As for all the rest, I'm not sure what good trying to nitpick what I say here is going to do. If you're that unhappy with the way things are, I suppose I'd just suggest writing your local congressman of choice and telling HIM what you think. That too is a matter of choice. You can choose to be one of two things, active, or re-active.
The problem in this country is that the goverment keeps passing bills that keeps squeezing your way of life more & more.
You become are robot programmed just to wake up,take a shower,have breakfast,head out to work,make the money to fullfill the billionaire deficit gap & get your ***** back home without complaining if your paycheck is enough to put a plate of food over your table when the day is over.
In the name of national security your conversations & movements are under scrutiny every second,Here in NYC your are recorded about 300 times a day where ever you go.
Police men killed a young man by mistake sitting inside his car with more then 50 bullets without the guy ever been armed,the young man celebrating with friends his wedding the following day at a club that was under investigation for drug trades & the PD's were all released of all charges,How that young man familly could ever believe in justice again in a country where we all believe was build on justice for all regardless of what.
Sometimes people ask me why is it in my native country people are all against the goverment & every day they protesting throwing stones at police,burning tires & marching all the time;My answer : because they believe in justice & they'll fight & dye for it.My question to you is when last you protested for your rights ?
Goverment protects its officials when they do mistakes,but you will be well punished if you happens to make one.
Here we don't even try to make the goverment rectify their mistakes,we just swallow what ever they think is right for us even though we don't approve it or neither need none of it because we all too busy living the american dream.
I'm not trying to justify my wrong actions as driver,but there's no such as perfect driver anyhow,but if you as a law enforcement official are commiting the same infractions as well as me you shouldn't be wearing a uniform at all.
And how our taxes can be better spent i think afganistan & iraq is the best way to show you how good they all spending our taxes.
While 40 millions of people here in the US are all out of health insurance coverage we all saw US chief commander in afganistan asking for more troops ( and more taxes to be spend ) to protect afganistan citizens.That is how you believe your taxes should be spent ? I trully don't think my taxes should go to afganistan,iraq o any where but right here.
I believe in justice as the better path to provide peace,but only when is honestly applied.
It's time for bed
I'm fairly sure that no country is perfect, and that if you were to ask any resident of any current country, you'd get a confirmation of that opinion in some way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
Imagining the worst as the reason for traffic cameras is just one way to look at it though. It could also be imagined that the reason for needing additional traffic cameras is because more and more people are adopting the philosophy that it's not necessary to follow the rules of the road because they think no one else does either.
As far as the subject of traffic cameras goes though, I'd think by now that all of us as VX drivers would be well used to having our driving habits routinely scrutinized by everyone within viewing distance anyway, and not wanting to defame the mystique of the VX for all other owners, would have started driving accordingly since taking ownership.
"A" new camera? Come on down to the DC area. We have redlight cams and speeding cams on nearly every block. It's absurd.
Our local govt just approved these as well but due to people uprising the contract will not be renewed. There are judges throwing all cases out due to illegal nature of these. Ifthat is the case here and law is correct why is it not illegal elsewhere. On top of that they mount cameras on cop cars. Thes $50,000 cop cars are sitting at the side of the road with cameras on them. This is a waste of money. The reason for govt are listed in the constitution. No where is it listed screwing citizens out of their hard earned money. If safety is the factor here than these do not do anything. They secretly catch you and you do not know about it for weeks. A cop prescence will get you to slow down being pulled over will make you think a ticket weeks later does nothing. And if cops can pick and choose who to ticket is is not a just system.
Gus, I was with you most the way until you brought up Afganistan. As a New Yorker, you should know very well how people in Afganistan can affect your way of life in this country. Would you rather spend less taxes so that an Army of idiots can attack your city again? Iraq... different story that should have not been told. ...another blemish in America's history. Afganistan though, is a hotbed for people making efforts to destroy your right to be a programmed robot.
BTW, what is your native country?
Oh, and I protest every day for my right to not wear a seatbelt! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
Catch you doing what?Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
Slow down from what?Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
Well having once been picked out of a group of cars all doing the same speed, and ticketed (I believe) because of the type of car I happened to be driving at the time, I would agree with you there in part. But as unjust as I found that particular instance, it still didn't change the fact that all of the cars in said group were in actuality speeding at the time. So while I was left to ponder why it had been me specifically the officer had chosen to single out of the group and ticket, I still had no one to blame but myself for speeding in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
Whether I got off or was speeding if you allow machines to secretly tape or record it is a violation of my rights. And obeying every law because some idiot convinced a buch idiots to vote for them is wrong. How about the next step HOAs that tax you and fine you because your house is the wrong color white? I owned the place prior to the HOA but because others built around me and voted for an HOA I had to obey their rules and the govt enforces it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I'm pretty sure Gussie's said in the past & his profile says he's from Venezuela.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
That explains the accent! :P
A year or two ago around here, when a light turned green, you'd better count to three, then look left and right.....then procede cautiously. Redlights were being run @ three and four seconds after turning. We were having grinding accidents almost daily at a couple of intersections. Alot of our residents are elderly, and nearly every light in this town, is less than three years old (Now they're everywhere) It's been a rapid change for sure.....but in a couple months these cameras have all but stopped the running of lights.....I am not opposed to these controls at all. I got a ticket for something I DID do....no whining here. In this case, they are saving lives and property, and making some folks drop a buck in the jar for being careless:bgwo:
I got you zeus,but i stronlgy believe we should spend that money in security by reinforcing the borders here,not out there.!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
We got to recall that the great russian army went in there & they give up.these afgan fighters will never give up the fight.
The afgan people are all warriors,that country have been invaded by all empires & kingdoms since ever & none never succeeded to conquer that hostile land.
Here in NYC,theres' places where you can walk or drive & other places you can't even look at all in low manhattan
On the train stations travelers whom use amtrax,the long island rail road & metronorth are all being watch by hi-tech CCTV systems,checking for suspicious movements while maddoff was walking out thru the doors at his business with millions in hard earned dollars by citizens who trusted him.I wonder how come,with so much security down there no body saw Mr maddoff.
If the constitution of the US says that you have the right & the freedom to transit where ever you want why is it that i can't drive thru exchange place,wall street or lafayette street at all where the biggest scam of all times took place with fanny may,AIG & madoff and now all citizens are paying for their mistakes ? How come i became a threat to those whom asked ( or forced ) me to bail them out ?
Beside that you can see dozens of policemen guarding the wall street area & who pays for that ? AIG ? fanny may ? maddoff ?
That means these BIG TIME guys are all enjoying the protection with NYC taxes while you can read in the new york times on a daily basis how many MTA commuters were robbed by lowlife thugs on the train stations that travels thru the poor neighbors because the lack of police presence (and cameras);That's very funny isn't ?
Mayor bloomberg proudly claims how NYC is safe while walking thru harlem or east new york in brooklyn can be more dangerous then walking alone in the congo with hungry lions hunting you down.
Upsss ! my little puddle is hungry too ! :p
Those were actually rhetorical questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
But I have to say that if you've ever read a comment I've made here where I claimed to be some high-up governmental official that could fix all of your official problems (neighborhood-wide, city-wide, etc, etc) if I just knew what they were, I'd like to see a printed copy of the remark, signed, dated, and notarized, then sent to me in triplicate via registered courier, because I surely don't recall ever having made such a comment. (Even though the way I just phrased that probably just made me sound exactly what I'm claiming NOT to be. :p )
I mean, I sincerely empathize will all the BS some are expected to put up with these days, but are we still talking about traffic cameras...or what?
I'm not against cameras to monitor certain activities.
Actually i was gonna get one my self to prove my girlfriend that at night while she's sleeping her knee punches me,but she keeps bringing up the privacy policy bill :p
I read this several times not sure what you meant to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
The rhetorical part meant that I already knew what the answers probably were to the questions I was asking, ie;Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
"Catch you doing what?" - I already knew that in order to warrant being caught, you probably had to be speeding in the first place.
"Slow down from what?" - A cops' presence getting you to slow down means that you had probably been speeding in the first place, otherwise, why would you feel it necessary to slow down just because a cop was present?
And I seriously wasn't trying to be an *** or anything, merely pointing out the obvious; That if you weren't probably disregarding speed limits in the first place, there would be no reason to "slow down" to avoid being "caught".
I wasn't trying to single you out either, but the way you had phrased your comments (implying innocence of any wrongdoing using the logic that it isn't wrong if everyone else is doing it too) just reminded me of the multitude of people nowadays who knowingly flout laws, but then are quick to start pointing out the injustices in the system when they turn out to be among the unfortunate few who happen to get caught. I mean, how many people have you ever personally heard joke about something "not being illegal if you don't get caught?" Sure, it's usually said in a joking manner, and possibly just said to try to impress, but these days it sure does seem to be a philosophy that more and more people are pushing to see what they can get away with.
Some prime examples of that philosophy taken to extremes were brought up earlier. Bernie Madoff, AIG, Fannie May. You tell me how many insiders there probably were who knew full well that the things they were promoting weren't quite kosher, but rather than follow their conscience, ended up having that inconvenient thought eased out of their minds by all the potential dollar signs flowing in through their eyes?
Anyway, now I'm getting off topic. In the last part of my earlier comment, I was only curious why you kept pointing out to me what you considered injustices regarding the issues of your next step HOA's, etc, and wondering if I had at some point given you the impression that I could officially do anything about them.
While I may agree that some of the rules you listed being decreed by the gov't and your local HOA's aren't quite fair, I just don't see how deciding for yourself that those rules are unfair justifies breaking other rules...rules for example, like...speed limits.
my brain hurts.....:_thinking
"A cops' presence getting you to slow down means that you had probably been speeding in the first place, otherwise, why would you feel it necessary to slow down just because a cop was present?"
Now there's a leap of logic that doesn't translate to the real world. I see it alla time ... peeps driving at or below the speed limit still slow down when they see the POPO.
Do not worry I never take offense, However, my first reaction when I see a cop is always to pull my foot of the gas to start slowing down. I have received speeding tickets when not speeding and the judge automatically takes the cops word. One time i had been stuck behind a school bus and while still behing the cop pulls me over for speeding and it was 10 mph under the speed limit. Cop had no radar, no proof but his word and the judge automatically took his lieing words as truth. I think a lot of people of color can tell you they slow down automatically as well. The cold hard facts are cops are no better than anyone else just because they put on a gun and uniform they lie cheat and steal and have no problems doing it. And a good portion have a bully mentality and get off on the power being a cop gives them because no one respects who they are when they do not have a badge and gun. You see it on cop reality shows all the time. Making suspects say sir and maam and move or do things they have no right to tell them to do and just cause they are cops expect everyone to obey them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I have met some cops that are entirely decent and are doing the job because they want to serve and protect but there are plenty of the other type around and the unions keep the bad examples on the force instead of putting them in prison where they belong. If a cop is suspected of illegal wrong doing in most cases they get more rights than the citizens they are sworn to protect.
Nevermind ms sue.it's not illegal .......so far LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT