VX exoskeleton

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09/03/2009, 02:35 PM
Marlin

VX exoskeleton

Figured the title would get some attention. Turns out a friend of mine at work is almost done with a bachelors in welding, including MIG/TIG/ARC and so on. He is getting licensed to build race car frames. He has tons of metal working tools, and we were tossing around the idea of building an exo on my VX. With winter coming, he has time off of school, and he said he would entertain the idea. That would be sweet!!!!!!!! Someone who knows what they are doing, I don't think I will do a full cage, but just a lower, but who knows, once we get going....this will be another VX first, then Orion will beat me to the punch, make mine look like poop, and then steal all the glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:LineWave:
09/03/2009, 02:57 PM
CrnCnn

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Originally Posted by Marlin

Figured the title would get some attention. Turns out a friend of mine at work is almost done with a bachelors in welding, including MIG/TIG/ARC and so on. He is getting licensed to build race car frames. He has tons of metal working tools, and we were tossing around the idea of building an exo on my VX. With winter coming, he has time off of school, and he said he would entertain the idea. That would be sweet!!!!!!!! Someone who knows what they are doing, I don't think I will do a full cage, but just a lower, but who knows, once we get going....this will be another VX first, then Orion will beat me to the punch, make mine look like poop, and then steal all the glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:LineWave:

I tossed around the idea with Ascinder and nfpgasmask in Moab last year. I would like to but I just think it would look like arse.
09/03/2009, 03:05 PM
Marlin

I understand what you are saying, but I think if you follow the curves of the cladding, it can be done and look good. I want to come off the sliders, so I can use the lower bar as a side step/access to the roof rack, up along the fenders, and just under the windows, around the rear under my door mounted spare and back down to the hitch. I don't know, my buddy will have to look at it. He builds roll cages for cars right now.
09/03/2009, 03:07 PM
LittleBeast

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Originally Posted by Marlin

this will be another VX first, then Orion will beat me to the punch, make mine look like poop, and then steal all the glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha, ah gotta love it! :)
09/03/2009, 03:13 PM
CrnCnn

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Originally Posted by Marlin

I understand what you are saying, but I think if you follow the curves of the cladding, it can be done and look good. I want to come off the sliders, so I can use the lower bar as a side step/access to the roof rack, up along the fenders, and just under the windows, around the rear under my door mounted spare and back down to the hitch. I don't know, my buddy will have to look at it. He builds roll cages for cars right now.

So are you going to put in a roll cage too?
09/03/2009, 03:36 PM
nfpgasmask

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Originally Posted by CrnCnn

I tossed around the idea with Ascinder and nfpgasmask in Moab last year. I would like to but I just think it would look like arse.

x2

But Marlin likes mods that look like arse. :p

Sorry man, couldn't help it!!!

:_beer:

Bart
09/03/2009, 03:38 PM
circmand

look like

that Taranthula monstrosity on another thread or maybe like it has braces. Of course its really going to help our outstanding gas mileage in my opinion of course.
09/03/2009, 03:55 PM
Marlin

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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

x2

But Marlin likes mods that look like arse. :p

Sorry man, couldn't help it!!!

:_beer:

Bart

This coming form the guy with the Falcon in his sig...

As far as gas mileage, no worries, mine already gets in the 12s, but when I drive 4.5 miles each way to work, I don't care.

No roll cage, it already has one, that is why there really isn't a back window, the support bracket goes up through it. I dig the "Subaru", and would love to have it if I could afford it and it was close. Plus I have braces, so my grill and my truck's grill would match. :bgwb:
09/03/2009, 03:58 PM
nfpgasmask

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Originally Posted by Marlin

This coming form the guy with the Falcon in his sig...

As stated, it is a "Work In Progress". Sadly, I agree whole-heartedly that it is an ugly P.O.S. at the moment. :(

Bart
09/03/2009, 05:02 PM
ZEUS

This is another one of those VX fantasy mods... I have conceptualized many variations of this idea and other things I know I will never do. IMO, an exo-cage has no business being on an IFS VX. But I have put quite a bit of thought into this subject anyway and I know it can be done and can look decent at the same time... if you have a solid axle swapped in and a minimum 35" size tire. Otherwise, it's just a heavy; ugly; out of place; performance, visibility, and economy robbing; pile of tubes masking the sexy lines of an uber-rare PUV... Yup, sounds like another classic "me first, me first" Marlin mod! ;)
09/03/2009, 05:44 PM
Marlin

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Originally Posted by ZEUS

Yup, sounds like another classic "me first, me first" Marlin mod! ;)

Sweet, I have earned the "classic" adjective. Yippeee!!!! Success at last.
As for the exo, that is why I was only looking at lower, I caught my cladding on some trees in Uwharrie, if I had lower bars, that would save me from that kind of stuff, but they would have to be tight and close. I don't know, just an idea we talked about. It would not be like my bumper, which is looking better now that I know I can bend the tubing. Just you wait and see, just you wait.
09/03/2009, 06:16 PM
Triathlete

Here are my thoughts on the subject for what its worth...
If your going to do an exo, you might as well do it right. That means a complete exo. You DO NOT have a roll cage built in. It is roll over protection that our government requires. Again NOT a roll cage. The purpose of an exo is to protect the exterior. If you roll it, the roll over protection might keep you from crushing you brains but that is about it.
As far as design. The only way it wil look good is if it tightly follows the lines of thr vehicle. Before jumping into it, take a look at some of the 4x sites and see what looks good. You will quickly see which ones are half ***** slapped together and those that are well thought out.
Also use the right steel tubing. I am sure your friend will steer you right in that catagory.
Good luck.
09/03/2009, 07:04 PM
orion

NO GLORY STEALING THIS TIME! :bwgy: i have no need for an exo cage. I could see a lower cage looking good. and if you are going to use it, then go for it.
09/03/2009, 07:10 PM
Marlin

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Originally Posted by Triathlete

Here are my thoughts on the subject for what its worth...
If your going to do an exo, you might as well do it right. That means a complete exo. You DO NOT have a roll cage built in. It is roll over protection that our government requires. Again NOT a roll cage. The purpose of an exo is to protect the exterior. If you roll it, the roll over protection might keep you from crushing you brains but that is about it.
As far as design. The only way it wil look good is if it tightly follows the lines of thr vehicle. Before jumping into it, take a look at some of the 4x sites and see what looks good. You will quickly see which ones are half ***** slapped together and those that are well thought out.
Also use the right steel tubing. I am sure your friend will steer you right in that catagory.
Good luck.

I agree with the well thought out and planned part. This would be different than the bumper. My bumper is easily removed, takes less than 2 minutes, so if I screw it up or don't like it, not a huge deal to recover from. The exo on the other hand would be very time consuming and not easily removed. You just have to trust me on that one, it would be a drawn out job, not a learn as I go like my other project.
I have done no research on this, but I would probably use chromolly 1" or 1.5" tubing. That is where funding becomes a problem, that stuff is crazy expensive, and I have to special order it around here. So baby steps, but once the VX is paid off, I can start saving more pennies. I am not smart enough to do the SAS, but if I were modding, I would want the protection before the capability, kind of like upgrading brakes before upgrading the engine...just makes sense to me.
09/03/2009, 10:30 PM
Ldub

This may be helpful in the idea dept...:_confused

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/sh.../500/ppuser/36

Also, if you've got a miter box saw that can cut precise angles, I've found that 1 1/4" pine handrail is mighty handy for mocking up prototype pieces, for easier visualization.
09/04/2009, 08:01 AM
ZEUS

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Originally Posted by Marlin

Sweet, I have earned the "classic" adjective. Yippeee!!!! Success at last.
As for the exo, that is why I was only looking at lower, I caught my cladding on some trees in Uwharrie, if I had lower bars, that would save me from that kind of stuff, but they would have to be tight and close. I don't know, just an idea we talked about. It would not be like my bumper, which is looking better now that I know I can bend the tubing. Just you wait and see, just you wait.

I could see a lower treatment working out. One of the ideas I had was to replace the cladding with steel - tube and plate - as well as some sort of rubber or plastic. I would want to make it look like I had it bolted to the body at the cladding bolt locations by fishmouthing the main tubes that follow the original lines of the cladding to receive mounting tubes about 1.5" long with recessed bolts in them. I also figured if I were going to do it I would run the tubes along the A-pillar and then have them die into the fender so that the fender would still be exposed and beautiful (mostly unprotected tho). Attachment is an issue however. Cages are usually isolated from the body and frame with a flexible joint to prevent cracking during twist. In the end, after I put that much thought into it, I decided it would be too much work, too much weight, and would never be used on my VX anyway. So I bought another big Jeep instead!
09/04/2009, 01:33 PM
Triathlete

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Originally Posted by Ldub

This may be helpful in the idea dept...:_confused

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/sh.../500/ppuser/36

Also, if you've got a miter box saw that can cut precise angles, I've found that 1 1/4" pine handrail is mighty handy for mocking up prototype pieces, for easier visualization.

That would be Grandpa Bob in the Green Dragon out on the Rubicon...still the only VX that I know of that has completed that trail. 3 days to go 12 miles. GB said he felt like someone had punched him in the ribs for 3 days when he was done! And his VX was beat to hell...almost all of the cladding had been ripped off the VX.

PVC tubing is cheap and works good for mock ups of cages also (had to get back on topic!). With a little heat you can even make slight bends in it.
09/04/2009, 05:03 PM
pbkid

chris- ive been thinking about a half exo for a while now... not only to keep my cladding on when on trails, but to keep idiots from clipping my car in a parking lot....
ill draw something up on my HORRIBLE 'microsoft paint' program that came on my computer and put it up... realistically i wont ever have the funding to do it, so i might as well offer the idea to you...